Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier 19,820]

4 minutes ago, TTT said:

I wonder if coach K at Duke in 1981 and 1982 got this much negative feedback among fans and those involved???  (no internet back then)

Duke wasn't really "Duke" back then either. They'd had some success if/when they made the tournament but the lion's share of their history came with Coach K at the helm.

[AZ Hoosier 6,546]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

Just stating quinn maye have won 40 years ago but given he is a good awful coach doesn't give me much hope that he thinks Woodson is not up to the task.

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Absolutely true... and in Buckner's mind, it's a fluke year and the team still (barely) has a winning record... it's all sunshine are rainbows from here on out... Buckner is delusional, as well.

[Golfman25 5,004]

21 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It was unnecessary, arguably unwarranted, and (I think) raised the buyout figure in the event of a disaster like this season. No one was coming to hire Woodson away from us. His first two seasons were better than Archie’s tenure but nothing to get overly excited about. I just really don’t think a nearly 25% raise was deserved at the time. It was a classic IU overreaction to positive developments. 

I have to think it was contractual.  No other reason to do it.  

[8bucks 6,347]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I doubt that is was a choice between the two extremes: firing him or giving him a $1M bump. The key here was recruiting. As an NBA coach, even a mediocre one, he never dipped his toe in the recruiting pool. He had not basis from which to even start. That was why Dolson gave him Motta and Fife... but Woodson thought (thinks) that he knew better, and tried to do it on his own. He failed. He is a failure as a college coach by any measuring stick you choose.

The fact that he recruited bigs is one thing... but as a has-been NBA coach, surely he had to know that without guards and perimiter shooters, the bigs alone would not be much benefit...

The "not a big deal part" limiting the ability to make changes - where is that? Haven't seen much change... still "gotta get back to work", still "gotta get over the hump", still "it's a young team", even at the end of the season...

Not limiting the ability (of the AD) to make changes (to the HC position).  Giving Woody the $1m raise was probably not needed and not really warranted but does not further limit Dolson's ability to fire Woody whereas an extension, like Crean got, could have raised the buyout.  

[AZ Hoosier 6,546]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

I have to think it was contractual.  No other reason to do it.  

Please tell me that we are not using graduates of the Maurer School of Law to draft these contracts... 

[Golfman25 5,004]

11 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

Ehh, in Woodson's defense, I think the general consensus at the time of the commit was he was more of a 2 year player.  However, not having a plan B ready and being blindsided by a top 20 recruit going pro after 1 year should never happen. 

That is exactly what the portal is for.  Those unexpected players leaving early.  Needs to do his damn job.  

[ISP 924]

11 minutes ago, TTT said:

I wonder if coach K at Duke in 1981 and 1982 got this much negative feedback among fans and those involved???  (no internet back then)

Yes, Duke fans were pretty disgruntled with him in his first 2 seasons. 

[AZ Hoosier 6,546]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

Not limiting the ability (of the AD) to make changes (to the HC position).  Giving Woody the $1m raise was probably not needed and not really warranted but does not further limit Dolson's ability to fire Woody whereas an extension, like Crean got, could have raised the buyout.  

Except that Buckner refuses to budge, and apparently has Dolson's hands tied in the matter... 

Beyond that, giving a man a 33% raise certainly is not an indication that he's about to be fired... so there's the whole matter of enabling and mismanaging expectations and/or confusing the message being sent.

And has anyone confirmed that the raise didn't adversely affect (from the school's position) the buyout?

Edited to add this link laying out the changes to Woodson's buyout effected by this raise:

 

[TTT 894]

4 minutes ago, ISP said:

Yes, Duke fans were pretty disgruntled with him in his first 2 seasons. 

Yes they were and the rest is history.

Maybe, this comment should have been posted on the positive comments only, thread.  Hahahaha.

[Golfman25 5,004]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Please tell me that we are not using graduates of the Maurer School of Law to draft these contracts... 

Better that than to be discretionary at Dolson's whim.  :)   

[ISP 924]

Woody saying that no one expected JHS to be a one and done...

Meanwhile, here's an article from before the season where TJD and plenty of others said that he will likely be a one and done given his talent. 

 

[Hoosierfan2017 20,876]

Mike Woodson is shameless when it comes to excuse making. The idea that he was caught off guard by JHS going pro is so utterly ridiculous. 

[go iu bb 5,510]

44 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It was unnecessary, arguably unwarranted, and (I think) raised the buyout figure in the event of a disaster like this season. No one was coming to hire Woodson away from us. His first two seasons were better than Archie’s tenure but nothing to get overly excited about. I just really don’t think a nearly 25% raise was deserved at the time. It was a classic IU overreaction to positive developments. 

More like a 33% raise. It also extended his 100% buyout by a year. 

Additionally, Woodson received additional buyout protections. Under the terms of his original deal, Woodson would have been owed 100% of remaining guaranteed compensation before April 1, 2025, and 50% thereafter. Last year’s renegotiation pushed the 100% promise to April 1, 2026, than 50% for the remaining year of the deal. For reference, on April 1 of this year, his buyout would stand at roughly $12.6 million.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/02/20/indiana-basketball-mike-woodson-says-not-walking-away-from-job-buyout-details-contract-iu-hoosiers/72671079007/

[JSHoosier 19,820]

1 minute ago, go iu bb said:

More like a 33% raise. It also extended his 100% buyout by a year. 

Additionally, Woodson received additional buyout protections. Under the terms of his original deal, Woodson would have been owed 100% of remaining guaranteed compensation before April 1, 2025, and 50% thereafter. Last year’s renegotiation pushed the 100% promise to April 1, 2026, than 50% for the remaining year of the deal. For reference, on April 1 of this year, his buyout would stand at roughly $12.6 million.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/02/20/indiana-basketball-mike-woodson-says-not-walking-away-from-job-buyout-details-contract-iu-hoosiers/72671079007/

Does he share an agent with Tom Allen?

[HoosierFan1994 4,704]

44 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

This probably has been covered and if so, I apologize. But I just got around to reading some of Woody's comments from this morning. He's essentially saying he was blindsided by JHS leaving. I was under the impression that pretty much everybody had JHS pegged as a one-and-doner -- even before he played a game at IU. 

How could he have not seen that as well? 

Yeah I remember it being said in October after the first IU Pro Day. Basically that while Trayce is the best player, Jalen would be the best NBA Prospect. 

[IUrocker 2,145]

At this point I’m hoping someone with money is like guess what Mike, you’re not as cool as you think you are…and lay the money on the table to get him out, haha…

…but then he may have the last laugh trying to shove all the money in his pockets… 

[RoadRage 1,608]

5 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

More like a 33% raise. It also extended his 100% buyout by a year. 

Additionally, Woodson received additional buyout protections. Under the terms of his original deal, Woodson would have been owed 100% of remaining guaranteed compensation before April 1, 2025, and 50% thereafter. Last year’s renegotiation pushed the 100% promise to April 1, 2026, than 50% for the remaining year of the deal. For reference, on April 1 of this year, his buyout would stand at roughly $12.6 million.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/02/20/indiana-basketball-mike-woodson-says-not-walking-away-from-job-buyout-details-contract-iu-hoosiers/72671079007/

And we are expecting the people responsible for this cluster to do the right thing and try to save our basketball program….not bloody likely!

[Demo 19,611]

I’m sure this is just leveraging UConn for a massive extension, but which would provoke a bigger mushroom cloud around here, Dusty May or Danny Hurley?

[LamarCheeks 18,036]

5 minutes ago, Demo said:

So, which would provoke a bigger mushroom cloud around here, Dusty May or Danny Hurley?

Danny Hurley in Columbus? 

[el drado 68]

10 minutes ago, Demo said:

I’m sure this is just leveraging UConn for a massive extension, but which would provoke a bigger mushroom cloud around here, Dusty May or Danny Hurley?

If Ohio State pulls that off and we have Woodson on the sidelines next year.  Not a joke, i am done with IU bball.