Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[TheWatShot 14,361]

So there's a contingent that thinks he's done after this weekend, and I've seen a few who think he's done before the next home game. Most of us are still thinking he gets the full season. And then you have the few who think he'll somehow still be here a year from now. 

 

Fun times!

[DoctorP 1,318]

10 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I think I've got all the stages of this process figured out:

1) We get embarrassed, fans are pissed, we all want Woodson gone right away.

2) Our insiders/whisperers start telling us things we want to hear, leaving us eager for more and hopeful a change is coming.

3) The team picks up an unexpected, ugly win. 

4) Our insiders/whisperers start walking back what they've said. 

5) We prepare for the next inevitable beatdown. 

 

Looks like we're at #4. 

Exactly. 
I’m confident Woody won’t be here next year because I’m confident he can’t get a team to the second weekend in March. 
We’ll probably lose at NW, but beat a similarly flawed Maryland team at home. There will be some road beat downs along the way but there’s a path to 10-11 conference wins and a quick tourney exit. 
 

After that, things will start moving. I’m going to try to stay outta this thread until something is actually announced by the school. 

[lillurk 3,835]

7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Nothing was going to be done today. Might not happen after that epic win last night haha but it’s needs to be done. He thinks we’re good at 14-5, thinks we’ve played good basketball. He will get booed off the court after the next 20 point loss. But our administration will probably sit on their hands even though they have a plan in place.

I would guess there was a lot of groundwork laid this week to potentially pull the lever when the time is right. Line up the interim, who’s the 3rd assistant after that domino, make sure the president and other key stakeholders (BoT reps, money folks) understand.

Time could’ve been right this weekend if the team no-showed again last night at OSU. There’s lots of frustration with Woody on this board and elsewhere, but it’s still a bad look for a program legend to face a hostile environment at home games. Even if he wants to keep coaching, in some way you’re protecting him a little too if he isn’t embarrassed by Dusty May, booed, chanted at.

So sure, part of the plan was lining things up for when/if you pull the lever during the season. The much bigger problem is who’s the next coach, though, so don’t get too hung up when we win. For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t worry that there’s really anything that can save him beyond the year.

Seth Davis’s newsletter this morning said “there is a widespread assumption in the sport that this will be Woodson’s final season in Bloomington.” You don’t have to like Davis to know he’s plugged in.

Also note Stevens’ non-denial last April to Davis’ suggestion that he’d be interested in returning to coach at IU: https://www.si.com/nba/celtics/brad-stevens-addresses-rumors-of-leaving-celtics-for-college-coaching-job

(Two tidbits from that piece: 1. Funny that Steven’s talks about “getting over the hump” and 2. Boston got over the hump)

If Stevens is option A, B, and C — and you don’t have to think he’s likely in order to think that Dolson will make him say no — then the timing isn’t very important; I doubt he’s coming back to college for a random B12 job. Heck, as USPS noted, IU looks like the only premium job coming available this cycle, so even if it’s not Stevens, timing may not be crucial.

[Home Jersey 9,252]

If Quinn Buckner lets Mike Woodson walk back into Assembly Hall to get booed relentlessly for an entire season… who needs enemies with friends like that… maybe Woody has some sort of kink for being hated and doesn’t mind as long as the checks keep clearing and wine keeps flowing lol. We know he doesn’t get too upset about losing anyways.

[sirhoosierlot 2,931]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

If Quinn Buckner lets Mike Woodson walk back into Assembly Hall to get booed relentlessly for an entire season… who needs enemies with friends like that… maybe Woody has some sort of kink for being hated and doesn’t mind as long as the checks keep clearing and wine keeps flowing lol. We know he doesn’t get too upset about losing anyways.

I honestly doubt Assembly Hall will be full enough for it to matter. Especially a noon Sunday game 

[TadQueasy 902]

You saw it last night in the game, but an added dynamic to this is there are players who still clearly like playing for Woody and all this noise does nothing but motivate them to play harder and want to prove all the haters wrong.  Us against them mentality can really work for a short period.    

[lillurk 3,835]

4 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

So there's a contingent that thinks he's done after this weekend, and I've seen a few who think he's done before the next home game. Most of us are still thinking he gets the full season. And then you have the few who think he'll somehow still be here a year from now. 

 

Fun times!

 

Just now, Home Jersey said:

If Quinn Buckner lets Mike Woodson walk back into Assembly Hall to get booed relentlessly for an entire season… who needs enemies with friends like that… maybe Woody has some sort of kink for being hated and doesn’t mind as long as the checks keep clearing and wine keeps flowing lol. We know he doesn’t get too upset about losing anyways.

Yeah I really think it just depends on results and optics; if they’re 6-3 coming into a home game vs Maryland, I don’t think it changes whether he’s the coach next year, but it probably doesn’t look great to can him.

Now, if you lose an ugly one at Northwestern, maybe that’s the tipping point. You’d still be 5-4 but it would maybe save an ugly scene with a program legend at home, and you could make the case the team still has something to play for but needs new leadership. My hunch is the win last night might have bought him a home game unless Tuesday is embarrassing, though.

[Home Jersey 9,252]

Just now, sirhoosierlot said:

I honestly doubt Assembly Hall will be full enough for it to matter. Especially a noon Sunday game 

Yeah for Maryland... Purdue and Michigan have all time humiliating moments for the program written all over it though if Woody is still coaching. 

[Mopladysman 442]

2 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

You saw it last night in the game, but an added dynamic to this is there are players who still clearly like playing for Woody and all this noise does nothing but motivate them to play harder and want to prove all the haters wrong.  Us against them mentality can really work for a short period.    

It’s funny they weren’t bothered by the first 25 point loss.

[Hoosier DaDa 2,922]

11 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

So there's a contingent that thinks he's done after this weekend, and I've seen a few who think he's done before the next home game. Most of us are still thinking he gets the full season. And then you have the few who think he'll somehow still be here a year from now. 

 

Fun times!

At least we have each other for emotional support, thanks BTownbanners.

[TadQueasy 902]

5 minutes ago, Mopladysman said:

It’s funny they weren’t bothered by the first 25 point loss.

I completely get what you are saying here, but that first loss did not bring the noise to the level it has been.  

[Golfman25 5,840]

1 hour ago, Shooter said:

As bad as we've looked, it's hard for me to believe they will fire Woody in season when he's sitting at 14-5, 5-3 Big Ten. Even though we all understand that record is a bit of fool's gold.

I think he retires after the season. 

Yep.  As long as he's mathematically in the tournament he'll be here.  With the couple of road wins, he probably won't be eliminated until mid Feb.  Which means he's likely here for the season and will be evaluated at the end.  Anything else is just wishful thinking.  

[Chris007 46,769]

15 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

So there's a contingent that thinks he's done after this weekend, and I've seen a few who think he's done before the next home game. Most of us are still thinking he gets the full season. And then you have the few who think he'll somehow still be here a year from now. 

 

Fun times!

I just don’t think you put a plan in place if you are afraid to execute the plan after winning against a mediocre team. I guess that’s why I was never told an exact date on the plan. 

[Golfman25 5,840]

40 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

The most interesting part of the rest of the season is going to be how the crowd at Assembly Hall acts, lol 

Assuming there is a crowd.  My guess is only people that are good with this team will go.  

[Bowhunter 2,720]

Here is my prediction. 
 

No coaching change till end of year unless Woody goes out with health related reasons.

Brad Stevens has no interest as he has tried to tell us the last couple of times. 

We contact a few good coaches and end up with a mid major. 

Hope I’m wrong! 
 

 

[coonhounds 9,465]

Yeah for Maryland... Purdue and Michigan have all time humiliating moments for the program written all over it though if Woody is still coaching. 

Possibility regardless. There is a good chance if they remove him the kids quit and we get humiliated. If we stick with him and get blasted again then that could get ugly. The program is in a terrible spot because of the decision to keep him this season. The only path forward imo is Steven's may or beard. I know others say get a good young unknown and believe me that could work but it would take time and patience that frankly the majority of this fan base is out of! I was a young man the last time we were good and now I am questioning weather i wll live to see us good ever again . I am 45 lol

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[OKHOOSIER 3,213]

12 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

You saw it last night in the game, but an added dynamic to this is there are players who still clearly like playing for Woody and all this noise does nothing but motivate them to play harder and want to prove all the haters wrong.  Us against them mentality can really work for a short period.    

I dunno, nothing about last night moved the needle for me. Much like the Penn State “road” win this is fools gold. We beat a mediocre team missing its leading scorer and we didn’t really look impressive in the process. Ohio State was the only team in the top fifty with 7 losses, and now are the only team with 8 losses in the top eighty. The computers love them, and maybe they’ve played better, but what I saw last night was not a good team. It’s a good win for the team, it means nothing for Mike Woodson’s job security IMO

[Scotty R 2,399]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I said yesterday I don't think he'll ever coach a game in SSAH again.  

Us IU fans know what is going on here but say we won at NW so that would make us 15-5 and 6-3. From the outside people would think why would you fire a coach with that record. Also we would be in the top 6 of the conference.

[Home Jersey 9,252]

2 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Possibility regardless. There is a good chance if they remove him the kids quit and we get humiliated. If we stick with him and get blasted again then that could get ugly. The program is in a terrible spot because of the decision to keep him this season. The only path forward imo is Steven's may or beard. I know others say get a good young unknown and believe me that could work but it would take time and patience that frankly the majority of this fan base is out of! I was a young man the last time we were good and now I am questioning weather i wll live to see us good ever again . I am 45 lol

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Definitely a possibility regardless. I know some kids look like they still are trying for Woody but the locker room is pretty clearly having issues. Program is in a terrible spot... I just have a visual of us losing by 30 to Purdue and the stadium chanting to fire our coach, a program legend... getting his tail kicked by our rivals. And "We Want Dusty" would be something that the CBB world remembers for years. That would be mortifying for most people but apparently not Woody. 

[Golfman25 5,840]

26 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I would guess there was a lot of groundwork laid this week to potentially pull the lever when the time is right. Line up the interim, who’s the 3rd assistant after that domino, make sure the president and other key stakeholders (BoT reps, money folks) understand.

Time could’ve been right this weekend if the team no-showed again last night at OSU. There’s lots of frustration with Woody on this board and elsewhere, but it’s still a bad look for a program legend to face a hostile environment at home games. Even if he wants to keep coaching, in some way you’re protecting him a little too if he isn’t embarrassed by Dusty May, booed, chanted at.

So sure, part of the plan was lining things up for when/if you pull the lever during the season. The much bigger problem is who’s the next coach, though, so don’t get too hung up when we win. For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t worry that there’s really anything that can save him beyond the year.

Seth Davis’s newsletter this morning said “there is a widespread assumption in the sport that this will be Woodson’s final season in Bloomington.” You don’t have to like Davis to know he’s plugged in.

Also note Stevens’ non-denial last April to Davis’ suggestion that he’d be interested in returning to coach at IU: https://www.si.com/nba/celtics/brad-stevens-addresses-rumors-of-leaving-celtics-for-college-coaching-job

(Two tidbits from that piece: 1. Funny that Steven’s talks about “getting over the hump” and 2. Boston got over the hump)

If Stevens is option A, B, and C — and you don’t have to think he’s likely in order to think that Dolson will make him say no — then the timing isn’t very important; I doubt he’s coming back to college for a random B12 job. Heck, as USPS noted, IU looks like the only premium job coming available this cycle, so even if it’s not Stevens, timing may not be crucial.

Unless it is someone from outside the program (highly unlikely), you're not lining up an interim while the head coach is still employed.  No assistant is going to take that risk.  Dolson et. al. probably talked, but nothing is going to happen right now.  It's all nonsense.