Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Brass Cannon 24,702]

6 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Do you know for certain that was why he was hired? That statement is brought up on here frequently, yet I’ve never seen anything that verifies it as true. Nor do I think anyone here was privy to the negotiations or hiring process.

Using your logic, almost the entire history of hiring in the IU. football program should be considered cause for indictment due to the incompetence of the coaches hired.

 

Incompetence isn’t the same as corruption. But you will look past that to keep your schtick going. 

[Pagoda 243]

34 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Lighten up, Francis.

IF (big if) Buckner hired his friend for a job that he was not qualified for, paid him over $15M over the course of the employment AND got any kind of kickback for the deed, he needs  to be held accountable.

I can't believe that any of that is actually what happened, and I was merely responding to the speculation... 

Time to climb down off of that high horse... it's making you dizzy.

I do wonder if Woody having his money managed by Quinn’s wealth management firm was disclosed.  Not a crime, but could be a violation of university policy.

I don’t know if Woody is a client, but I would be shocked if he wasn’t.

Unfortunately, this probably won’t amount to much.  Our best hope is Scott gaining political power and getting Woody and his toxic cronies out of IU.

[steubenhoosier 869]

No schtick.

You guys are hilarious.

Make a disagreeing comment and the wagons start circling.

If you read my posts, I wasn’t defending QB or CMW. But this has devolved into character attacking, which I have mentioned previously.

 

[Pagoda 243]

Woodson appears to have poor character.  What are people supposed to say?

[IUFAN1976 3,054]

37 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

No schtick.

You guys are hilarious.

Make a disagreeing comment and the wagons start circling.

If you read my posts, I wasn’t defending QB or CMW. But this has devolved into character attacking, which I have mentioned previously.

 

Please drop the C in front of MW because he hasn’t earned it.  What he does ain’t coaching! 

[IUFAN1976 3,054]

1 hour ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Lighten up, Francis.

IF (big if) Buckner hired his friend for a job that he was not qualified for, paid him over $15M over the course of the employment AND got any kind of kickback for the deed, he needs  to be held accountable.

I can't believe that any of that is actually what happened, and I was merely responding to the speculation... 

Time to climb down off of that high horse... it's making you dizzy.

The air must be pretty thin up there on that high horse!  I think his nose is bleeding too!

[OKHOOSIER 2,178]

35 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

No schtick.

You guys are hilarious.

Make a disagreeing comment and the wagons start circling.

If you read my posts, I wasn’t defending QB or CMW. But this has devolved into character attacking, which I have mentioned previously.

 

Asking a bunch of silly questions isn’t disagreeing, it’s being purposely obtuse when he was clearly just joking around. People reacted to your schtick of being the comment police, it’s happened over and over and over: hence: schtick. No one needs or wants you to be the moral barometer of this thread. Disagree with points and opinions, not silly questions with feigned pearl clutching and people won’t react. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,276]

Steuben throws on his cape each morning and rushes to the internet to defend Medicore Mike from all the bullies. Very honorable of him! 

[iu eyedoc 1,946]

I imagine @steubenhoosier fashions himself something like this :

 

 

 

[go iu bb 5,862]

2 hours ago, steubenhoosier said:

Why?

Why would you want to ruin someone else’s life over this?

Have him resign, sure. Oust him from the position, fine. Bring charges against him, for what purpose?

Your statement says a lot more about you than who you are criticizing.

 

So an illegal activity such as nepotism at a state university is ok as long as it's done by a former basketball star and includes hiring another former basketball star? That's what makes corruption acceptable in your books? That says a lot about you.

That said, since Woodson has previous coaching experience, it's probably not enough to bring charges but it's obviously nepotism. The other moves made at the time of the hiring show that the AD who was forced to hire him had much confidence.

[Stuhoo 80,489]

26 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

 

So an illegal activity such as nepotism at a state university is ok as long as it's done by a former basketball star and includes hiring another former basketball star? That's what makes corruption acceptable in your books? That says a lot about you.

That said, since Woodson has previous coaching experience, it's probably not enough to bring charges but it's obviously nepotism. The other moves made at the time of the hiring show that the AD who was forced to hire him had much confidence.

I assure you that there is no criminal statute called “nepotism.”

 It can be merely “frowned upon,” or at most can be an administrative statute ethics violation subject to a fine.

[IUFAN1976 3,054]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I assure you that there is no criminal statute called “nepotism.”

 It can be merely “frowned upon,” or at most can be an administrative statute ethics violation subject to a fine.

I agree, but definitely is morally and ethically wrong!

[go iu bb 5,862]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I assure you that there is no criminal statute called “nepotism.”

 It can be merely “frowned upon,” or at most can be an administrative statute ethics violation subject to a fine.

I went and looked and the laws state relatives. So I guess they're clear of any actual crime. By the way, it is actually called nepotism.

42 IAC 1-5-15 Nepotism

Nepotism restrictions are set forth in IC 4-2-6-16.

1. This chapter does not prohibit the continuation of a job assignment that existed on July 1, 2012.
2. As used in this section, "employed" refers to all employment, including full-time, part-time, temporary, intermittent, or hourly.  The term includes service as a state officer or special state appointee.
3. An individual employed in an agency may not hire a relative.
4. Except as provided in subsection (e), an individual may not be employed in the same agency in which an individual's relative is the appointing authority.
5. An individual may be employed in the same agency in which the individual's relative is the appointing authority, if the individual has been employed in the same agency for at least twelve (12) consecutive months immediately preceding the date the individual's relative becomes the appointing authority.
6. Except as provided in subsection (e), an individual may not be placed in a relative's direct line of supervision.
7. An individual employed in an agency may not contract with or supervise the work of a business entity of which a relative is a partner, executive officer, or sole proprietor.
8. Any person within an agency who knowingly participates in a violation of this chapter is subject to the penalties set forth in section 12 of this chapter.

IU, however, does prohibit even the hiring of friends although that isn't a law.

Using his power to force the hiring of a friend and then to retain that friend when it's obvious he isn't up to the job is nepotism and looks like a corrupt act to me. But I guess it's ok since it's former star basketball players.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,276]

the King of Indiana’s offense is definitely criminal. 

[Home Jersey 7,284]

My understanding has been that tax-payer money is a relatively small portion of athletic department budgets/not necessarily allocated toward coaching salaries in most cases. Wanted to verify that and came across this article from December 2022. 

Relevant excerpt: 

Pascrell Releases Report on College Coaching Salaries

Findings show public and private schools lavish massive deals while enjoying federal tax exemptions

WASHINGTON, DC – U.S. Rep. Bill Pascrell, Jr. (D-NJ-09), the Chairman of the House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Oversight, today released an official committee report detailing the findings of Pascrell’s year-long investigation into exorbitant college coaching contracts given by schools which enjoy federal tax benefits.

“With the college football regular season reaching a dramatic conclusion this weekend, all Americans should be reminded of the enormous scope of exorbitant coaching contracts by so many of these schools,” said Chairman Pascrell. “This official report from the Ways and Means Committee lays out all our findings from the past year into colossal college coaching contracts. Americans should care deeply about these excessive salaries that our federal tax code is helping to fund. These schools and others across our nation are giving hundreds of millions of dollars to coaches while taking federal tax exemption. The answers from the schools lay out, clearly, that universities from coast to coast are not always behaving in the best interests of their students or the American taxpayers.”

Pascrell concluded, “As Congress’s oldest, most storied and powerful committee, it is incumbent upon the Ways and Means Committee to now turn our focus to remedies to our tax code. Universities’ tax-exempt status is an important pillar of our higher education system, but it is not a blank check from taxpayers to dole out gargantuan coaching contracts with lavish benefits. The committee should consider reforming the excise tax on salaries over one million to apply to all colleges and universities. This would close a loophole that may enable some state universities to avoid the tax. It is also worth exploring whether profitable, multimillion dollar college athletics programs should be subject to the Unrelated Business Income Tax. We must consider whether tax-exempt educational activities and lucrative athletics programs should be treated differently. Certainly we can see that American students and American taxpayers deserve better.”

Pascrell went on to send a bunch of universities inquiries about various coaching contracts. 

Unfortunately, Pascrell has since passed away. I am trying to find the report referenced in the article. 

This country has way bigger fish to fry than large coaching salaries IMO. 

But the conflict of interests and ethical rot we've observed recently, has created this toxicity around the program.

I guess a bloodthirsty lawyer could try to make a case but in reality there's 0 chance this gets looked at, so moot point IMO.

[LIHoosier 26,141]

The above is why the NCAA still exists and is its primary purpose; to keep collegiate athletic departments off the books.

[Stuhoo 80,489]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

I went and looked and the laws state relatives. So I guess they're clear of any actual crime. By the way, it is actually called nepotism.

42 IAC 1-5-15 Nepotism

Nepotism restrictions are set forth in IC 4-2-6-16.

1. This chapter does not prohibit the continuation of a job assignment that existed on July 1, 2012.
2. As used in this section, "employed" refers to all employment, including full-time, part-time, temporary, intermittent, or hourly.  The term includes service as a state officer or special state appointee.
3. An individual employed in an agency may not hire a relative.
4. Except as provided in subsection (e), an individual may not be employed in the same agency in which an individual's relative is the appointing authority.
5. An individual may be employed in the same agency in which the individual's relative is the appointing authority, if the individual has been employed in the same agency for at least twelve (12) consecutive months immediately preceding the date the individual's relative becomes the appointing authority.
6. Except as provided in subsection (e), an individual may not be placed in a relative's direct line of supervision.
7. An individual employed in an agency may not contract with or supervise the work of a business entity of which a relative is a partner, executive officer, or sole proprietor.
8. Any person within an agency who knowingly participates in a violation of this chapter is subject to the penalties set forth in section 12 of this chapter.

IU, however, does prohibit even the hiring of friends although that isn't a law.

Using his power to force the hiring of a friend and then to retain that friend when it's obvious he isn't up to the job is nepotism and looks like a corrupt act to me. But I guess it's ok since it's former star basketball players.

There ya go. Most states have an administrative statutory code of ethics with fines for violations.

[Brass Cannon 24,702]

Let’s not forget that part of the grift was to then get his kid hired. 

[ap2345 7,783]

All this nepotism talk is fun but the reality is this. Woodson is starting to have major donors turn on him. Dolson is already out on him. His days are numbered.

[go iu bb 5,862]

8 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

All this nepotism talk is fun but the reality is this. Woodson is starting to have major donors turn on him. Dolson is already out on him. His days are numbered.

Good to hear. These are the updates we want.

AD with more cachet than last year is against him, the person behind getting him hired and retained is a lame duck, and the donors are turning on him after wasting money this year. 

I hope Dolson makes a good hire after the season.