Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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6 minutes ago, Schreckbagger said:

Numbers don't lie, liars don't like numbers.

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If you consider winning 6/10 games success, I guess what you said made sense. 

How many blowout losses too? 

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27 minutes ago, Schreckbagger said:

Coach Mike Woodson's .612 winning percent. Third best in 59 years at IU. Wow.

Only the truth dude, only the truth.

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Lmao no one gives a **** about your cherry-picked statistic. He barely beats the bottom feeders of the NCAA during the non-conference schedule, amazing! 31-29 in an incredibly mediocre Big Ten. 

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Coach Mike Woodson's .612 winning percent. Third best in 59 years at IU. Wow.

Only the truth dude, only the truth.

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That tells you has bad the program is. The only two with higher winning percentages were a legend that was a “catch lightning in a bottle” hire (RMK) and a guy who broke a stupid inconsequential rule that cause the administration to fall on its sword (Sampson). Mediocre Mike got third place by default.

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1 hour ago, Banksyrules said:

Comparing RMK with Woodson…. Wow.  Maybe you should apply for the athletics job because you seem to have a high opinion what in reality is very &^* coaching . 

“Mike Woodson acts like *** just like Bob Knight but doesn’t win like him” really isn’t the selling point they think it is, lol. 

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13 minutes ago, Schreckbagger said:

In IU's toxic environment, being better than 9 other IU coaches actually makes sense.

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IU is one of the best fanbases in the nation. Top 5 in attendance no matter the results.  Have been incredibly patient despite years of bad results.  
 

But we need a “uniter” at this point and what Woody pulled last season with the “True Fan” and the social media presence has divided the fanbase worse than I think I’ve seen. I’m 43.  
It wouldn’t be that hard with our resources.  Our fanbase enjoys good, fundamental basketball and can recognize it.  Hustle plays, good shooting, defense, etc.  Hopefully this is the year it looks better on the court.  

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26 minutes ago, Schreckbagger said:

Numbers don't lie, liars don't like numbers.

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No but they can be misleading. In this case his competition includes the likes of Mike Davis and Archie Miller. It's more an indictment of how incompetently run IU is than anything.

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Outside of McCracken and Knight, IU has been pretty bad at hiring coaches. So Woodson is better than Miller, Crean, Dakich, and Davis? That's not exactly a statement of excellence.

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4 minutes ago, Schreckbagger said:

Numbers don't lie, cherry picked or not.

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lol. Incredible. As I’ve said before, if only Woodson worked half as hard as you people do at defending him. 

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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

IU is one of the best fanbases in the nation. Top 5 in attendance no matter the results.  Have been incredibly patient despite years of bad results.  
 

But we need a “uniter” at this point and what Woody pulled last season with the “True Fan” and the social media presence has divided the fanbase worse than I think I’ve seen. I’m 43.  
It wouldn’t be that hard with our resources.  Our fanbase enjoys good, fundamental basketball and can recognize it.  Hustle plays, good shooting, defense, etc.  Hopefully this is the year it looks better on the court.  

Uh, no.  IU does not need a uniter.

IU needs a winner.  

RMK was not a uniter. 

Unite the fans...yeah, right.  Now there's a priority to put into a head coach's contract. /s

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Uh, no.  IU does not need a uniter.

IU needs a winner.  

RMK was not a uniter. 

Unite the fans...yeah, right.  Now there's a priority to put into a head coach's contract. /s

 

 

 

Kinda thinking you and Wayne are both right:

A winner will automatically unite the fans.

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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

IU is one of the best fanbases in the nation. Top 5 in attendance no matter the results.  Have been incredibly patient despite years of bad results.  
 

But we need a “uniter” at this point and what Woody pulled last season with the “True Fan” and the social media presence has divided the fanbase worse than I think I’ve seen. I’m 43.  
It wouldn’t be that hard with our resources.  Our fanbase enjoys good, fundamental basketball and can recognize it.  Hustle plays, good shooting, defense, etc.  Hopefully this is the year it looks better on the court.  

Piss on that. 

We need a winner. 

We had a uniter in Crean and yall couldn't get over him adjusting his pants and clapping. 

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23 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Piss on that. 

We need a winner. 

We had a uniter in Crean and yall couldn't get over him adjusting his pants and clapping. 

I am glad that Crean adjusted his pants.  And his clapping is a lot better than 4-letter words or the stares or sitting on court on a stool or cheating.

I lived in Wisconsin and Crean had a history at Marquette.  Let's just say that he was in sales almost 100% of the time.  He sold to recruits and then didn't stick to his guns.  He sold his spin on every single thing.  Overhyped players, the team, himself, his opinions....   Then he got his big fish...Wade.  And sold that for years.  He sold running faster and take a break on defense and other things.  He thought that working harder and longer meant winning.  He forgot the part about working smarter.  But that would not have been Tom Crean. In summary, what bothered me was the overreliance on athletes and not the team and mailing in on defense which should be used to an advantage.

No one else may have wanted the IU job when it was offered to Crean.  The IU demands and administration were a bit too much of a risk or bummer for lots of prospects, it appeared.  

We need a winner.  We might just have one in men's basketball this year.  Maybe.  

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Is there any money to give Mike Woodson another raise before the 2024-2025 season.  It seems like he should be about due.  Maybe, that will help.

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Kinda thinking you and Wayne are both right:

A winner will automatically unite the fans.

People like winners. Yes, the way to unite the fanbase (as much as is possible) is to win.

If a coach doesn't win, the fan base won't be united regardless of how charismatic he might be. Even a coach who loses a lot wouldn't unite the fanbase against him since there are plenty who would still defend him and say he just needs more time.

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Kinda thinking you and Wayne are both right:

A winner will automatically unite the fans.

There will never be a 100% fan unity, someone will find something to complain about. If we were 39-0 going into the championship game and we lose by 1 on a last second 70 foot shot someone would find fault.

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59 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

There will never be a 100% fan unity, someone will find something to complain about. If we were 39-0 going into the championship game and we lose by 1 on a last second 70 foot shot someone would find fault.

Yes, should have been up by 4

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2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Kinda thinking you and Wayne are both right:

A winner will automatically unite the fans.

When I say a “Uniter” I mean someone that hasn’t already divided and seems to be happy to continue to divide.  Winning Consistently for sure is the biggest hurdle. Woody started as a “Uniter” “us against them” guy but this season he turned on a huge portion of the fanbase.  Instead of taking accountability and saying he didn’t live up to his own expectations and these are the things we are going to do to fix it. He went on a crusade against fans not happy with him not reaching the expectations he acknowledges. Just completely backwards strategy and could have been much easier if he could have swallowed some pride. 

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33 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

When I say a “Uniter” I mean someone that hasn’t already divided and seems to be happy to continue to divide.  Winning Consistently for sure is the biggest hurdle. Woody started as a “Uniter” “us against them” guy but this season he turned on a huge portion of the fanbase.  Instead of taking accountability and saying he didn’t live up to his own expectations and these are the things we are going to do to fix it. He went on a crusade against fans not happy with him not reaching the expectations he acknowledges. Just completely backwards strategy and could have been much easier if he could have swallowed some pride. 

Don’t really think his comments registered with very many.

Nothing that 25+ wins wouldn’t cure instantly.

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3 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Piss on that. 

We need a winner. 

We had a uniter in Crean and yall couldn't get over him adjusting his pants and clapping. 

The pants thing did it for me. 

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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

When I say a “Uniter” I mean someone that hasn’t already divided and seems to be happy to continue to divide.  Winning Consistently for sure is the biggest hurdle. Woody started as a “Uniter” “us against them” guy but this season he turned on a huge portion of the fanbase.  Instead of taking accountability and saying he didn’t live up to his own expectations and these are the things we are going to do to fix it. He went on a crusade against fans not happy with him not reaching the expectations he acknowledges. Just completely backwards strategy and could have been much easier if he could have swallowed some pride. 

Sorry but I don't believe the bold. 

Easier, yes, maybe a little. 

The issue is NOT how Woodson treats anyone, THE issue was the product. I don't believe him having a different demeanor would have resulted in any more fans supporting him/whatever. 

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Over a 2 year frame we were 56-16, Top 10 team one year, Top 3 team the next... under Crean and in those seasons all I can remember is..

- the subbing is wrong

- mannerism complaints 

- why do we shoot so many 3s? 

- omg early exits in the BTT

- omg we're oversigned with too much talent, we'll have to CREAN someone? Tf

Yodda yodda. Sure that's the "job" of fans, I guess, right? 

There was never a time anyone sat back and was like--- "huh--- this ain't so bad"... Just beat Kentucky when they were the NC, took them to the ropes the next game, won the B1G when Michigan, OSU, and MSU were all DAMN good. 

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Respectfully--- I just disagree his demeanor really matters. There's enough evidence, to me, to back that up. 

Win games--- be an @$$ to everyone--- and our fanbase will cherish you. 

That's our M.O.