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They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

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I mean, what you’re describing really isn’t arrogance. Mike Woodson acting like he’s above answering very basic interview questions or treating others within IU athletics dismissively  isn’t “bulletproof self belief,” it’s just him being a d***. 
Reminds of Knight answering basic interview questions. You must have hated Knight

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1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

In fairness we were squarely in the tourney in the covid year, CAM got screwed by that. Terrible coach for IU regardless 

Romeo’s year was when they lost like 12 in a row lol. Covid was the next year. It’s crazy Romeo is only 24. That seems like forever ago. 

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1 hour ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Reminds of Knight answering basic interview questions. You must have hated Knight

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That dude wasn’t alive to have seen Knight coach.

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There is no Archie Miller love, it’s just people replying to those that are saying Woodson is better which he hasn’t proven he is.

he inherited one of the oldest teams in basketball from Miller including an all-American and he got bounced early in the tourney twice. Then followed that up with a team of his own guys and didn’t even make the tourney and had a negative +- which has only been done a few times in IUs history, that’s pretty shitty

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Part of Miller's problem was that he wasn't very good at evaluating talent. Even a bunch of players he didn't land but recruited hard turned out to be not very good. Ethan Morton and Matt Cross are a couple of examples. So having NIL money likely would've just meant that he landed more players who weren't very good, except they were getting paid for it. Sure, it may have helped him land a few more players who were actually good, but it probably wouldn't have mattered too much in the greater scheme because Miller is simply a bad coach.
Also, I find it hilarious that people are now defending Miller as if saying that Woodson is better than him is saying Woodson is a good coach. They're both bad but Miller is clearly worse.
Nobody is defending him at all.

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3 hours ago, sirhoosierlot said:

Romeo’s year was when they lost like 12 in a row lol. Covid was the next year. It’s crazy Romeo is only 24. That seems like forever ago. 

I was answering the point that CAM never made the tourney, which is incorrect. Romeo got screwed by injuries just didn’t have a body that would hold up and the hand injury was just bum luck

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4 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I was answering the point that CAM never made the tourney, which is incorrect. Romeo got screwed by injuries just didn’t have a body that would hold up and the hand injury was just bum luck

Archie never made the tourney. He made an NIT. No one cares about that.

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31 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

For the sunshine pumpers:

 

With all of that sunshine you’re pumping, what should expectations for this year? If you’re so confident in our great coach let’s hear what a good year looks like versus what a bad result looks like that should get coach fired.

55-0 =good year 

0-55 =bad year 

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Not sure you can define a good vs bad season before the season plays out. We could have a decent record but get blown out against any legit competition again. We could finish second in the Big Ten but not really be close to competing for a conference championship again.

The talent seems to be there for a high level and deep team to compete for championships. However, this wouldn’t be the first team that was supposed to be talented and deep but failed.

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Okay, I will defend Archie Miller.  Kind of...

At the University of Dayton, Archie Miller's teams performances were arguably the best ever at that mid major.  The teams performed as a team.  Teammates bought into his tactics and strategies.  They helped.  The teams were much better on the court than one estimated by pre-season statistics.  He came in and the cupboard was bare.  Brian Gregory would have been cut loose if he didn't go elsewhere.  Archie got the teams to win at least 24 games and into the NCAAT his 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th years with UD.  He had the support of the team, the fans and the University.

At Indiana University Archie Miller's teams struggled to be mediocre.  They did not get into the top half of the conference in wins.  His teams went 67-58 overall and 33-44 in the Big Ten.  No NCAAT and pathetic against Purdue.  His recruiting and on-court performance was what stuck a pin in his coaching at IU.  

I was surprised when IU hired Archie Miller.  He was about my 6th or 7th choice.  Wondered at the time whether his success would transfer.  I have stated on this site my thoughts on why he did not have more success at IU.  Suffice it to say that he seemed to not be supported by the AD as much as Coach Woodson has been.  Locker room issues and the lack of a consistent Big Ten caliber point guard...and the team not buying into his defense, stuck a pin in each and every season...except maybe one Covid interrupted year.  And the administration seemed to tie his hands...but I am not entirely sure about the latter.

  Reflecting on whether Miller was the right choice at IU...obviously...no.  He had a defense-first state of mind.  The coach and the team at IU before him was just the opposite.  Archie could not and did not get the team to buy in.  I blame the AD for hiring the wrong guy with the wrong strategies for following Tom Crean's 'play faster' on offense scheme.  Archie should have gotten rid of certain members of the team.  But could he have recruited his way out of that mess?   Yeah, right.

His teams have not jelled at Rhode Island either.  Why?  It is because he cannot sell NBA success stories.  He cannot sell today's offense over defense mindset.  In spite of his understanding of X's and O's...he just can't and doesn't recruit well.  He has nothing to sell.  Too bad.  He was great at Dayton.  Now he cannot get out of the crappy sack that IU put him in.

 

 

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11 hours ago, AH1971 said:

That dude wasn’t alive to have seen Knight coach.

Yeah, my IU basketball experience has been the post-Knight s***show. Lucky me. 

The Bob Knight comments are just stupid. First, he wasn’t dumb enough to attack his own fanbase. Second, he sure as hell wouldn’t say that he did his job after a season as disastrous as last season. Third, he won 4 conference titles in his first five seasons at IU. He lost 10 conference games total in his first five seasons. Mike Woodson lost 10 conference games last year alone. Bad personalities are much more tolerable when they’re exceptional at their jobs. Mediocre Mike hasn't won anything other than his four offseason championships. 

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39 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah, my IU basketball experience has been the post-Knight s***show. Lucky me. 

The Bob Knight comments are just stupid. First, he wasn’t dumb enough to attack his own fanbase. Second, he sure as hell wouldn’t say that he did his job after a season as disastrous as last season. Third, he won 4 conference titles in his first five seasons at IU. He lost 10 conference games total in his first five seasons. Mike Woodson lost 10 conference games last year alone. Bad personalities are much more tolerable when they’re exceptional at their jobs. Mediocre Mike hasn't won anything other than his four offseason championships. 

Right. Just win games, and you'll be a good guy! 

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1 hour ago, Juwan Moye said:

For the sunshine pumpers:

 

With all of that sunshine you’re pumping, what should expectations for this year? If you’re so confident in our great coach let’s hear what a good year looks like versus what a bad result looks like that should get coach fired.

Where are these posts? Find them for me. 

I'll let you know how the year went on about April 10th of next year. Sorry that Archie sucked worse than Woodson sucks. 

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1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Not sure you can define a good vs bad season before the season plays out. We could have a decent record but get blown out against any legit competition again. We could finish second in the Big Ten but not really be close to competing for a conference championship again.

The talent seems to be there for a high level and deep team to compete for championships. However, this wouldn’t be the first team that was supposed to be talented and deep but failed.

Right, but you could set an expectation there:

”no embarrassing losses and realistically competing for a B1G title late in the season”

I’m just curious what the Woodson defenders think. I agree with them that the roster looks better but I think we’ll underperform our talent because we have a mediocre coach.

 

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7 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Where are these posts? Find them for me. 

I'll let you know how the year went on about April 10th of next year. Sorry that Archie sucked worse than Woodson sucks. 

Find posts defending Woodson? Nah, they’re everywhere, you can find those pretty easily.

Not sure why you mention Archie, I don’t care about that guy. Just what people who defend Woodson think success looks like. Copping out by saying you can’t is certainly one way to answer it.

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