Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosierfan2017 21,597]

Even when we had a shooter, Woodson barely ran anything to get him shots. Miller Kopp shot 44.4% from 3 his last year at IU and yet he only took 4 per game. Only 3.7 per game during conference play despite shooting 45.2%. 

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8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Even when we had a shooter, Woodson barely ran anything to get him shots. Miller Kopp shot 44.4% from 3 his last year at IU and yet he only took 4 per game. Only 3.7 per game during conference play despite shooting 45.2%. 

Stated also that it wasn’t his job to get Kopp shots.  Watching UCONN and Purdue run action/screens off the ball for their shooters and then rethinking our offense makes me want to punch things. 

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11 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Even when we had a shooter, Woodson barely ran anything to get him shots. Miller Kopp shot 44.4% from 3 his last year at IU and yet he only took 4 per game. Only 3.7 per game during conference play despite shooting 45.2%. 

I am a huge proponent of the theory if you are shooting over 40% from 3, you are not taking enough. MK should have been getting 5-10 a game, every game. 

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19 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Yes, but if I were a betting man I’d say it won’t solve enough problems. We’ve actually been ok at making 3’s in Woodys 3 years…really it’s been 1 good year, 1 bad, and 1 average-ish, in that regard. We simply don’t shoot very many.  
 

The other problem is exactly what you pointed out: the other team making 3’s. We give up a bunch of looks from 3 and always have under Woody. I’d argue if you’re not going to shoot a lot of 3’s you’d at least better be good at running the other team off the 3pt line on defense, so you don’t fall into the 2 for 3 trap you described.  
 

We are…not good at that. In fact, everyone here complains about Woody’s attention to the post on offense. I see it the other way: he focuses on the post waaay too much on defense. He has a rim protector every year and then sends guards to help down in the post leading to kick outs and 3’s by the other team.  
 

I don’t understand his philosophy there, and no amount of 3 point shooting, star portal guards will fix that absent a change in philosophy. 

I agree and am expecting more of the same next year just new pieces in the same spots. Bubble team with a chance to get in. No shot at a serious tourney run. We will be having the same discussions.

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21 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Yes, but if I were a betting man I’d say it won’t solve enough problems. We’ve actually been ok at making 3’s in Woodys 3 years…really it’s been 1 good year, 1 bad, and 1 average-ish, in that regard. We simply don’t shoot very many.  
 

The other problem is exactly what you pointed out: the other team making 3’s. We give up a bunch of looks from 3 and always have under Woody. I’d argue if you’re not going to shoot a lot of 3’s you’d at least better be good at running the other team off the 3pt line on defense, so you don’t fall into the 2 for 3 trap you described.  
 

We are…not good at that. In fact, everyone here complains about Woody’s attention to the post on offense. I see it the other way: he focuses on the post waaay too much on defense. He has a rim protector every year and then sends guards to help down in the post leading to kick outs and 3’s by the other team.  
 

I don’t understand his philosophy there, and no amount of 3 point shooting, star portal guards will fix that absent a change in philosophy. 

IU has ranked 347, 327, and 301 the last 3 years for 3 pts made. That is horrible and you simply cannot win in todays game not making 3s. How anyone can watch the tournament this year and not see this is strange to me. We got into the tournament last year because we had a first team all American in the paint….and still got blown out in the second round.

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25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Even when we had a shooter, Woodson barely ran anything to get him shots. Miller Kopp shot 44.4% from 3 his last year at IU and yet he only took 4 per game. Only 3.7 per game during conference play despite shooting 45.2%. 

"It's not my job to get Miller shots" - Mike Woodson

Dont ask Mike how to do his job hahah

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44 minutes ago, hoosierhoo said:

A lot of us don’t believe the “regardless of what happens, he’s gone after next year” part. We live in terror of a 6-10 seed first or second round tourney exit in perpetuity.

 

That's my fear as well. I am sure I read on here somewhere that next year is it for Woodson, regardless. Of course, there's no way to be 100% certain.

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1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Even when we had a shooter, Woodson barely ran anything to get him shots. Miller Kopp shot 44.4% from 3 his last year at IU and yet he only took 4 per game. Only 3.7 per game during conference play despite shooting 45.2%. 

Two years ago, we had Miller Kopp and Parker Stewart and underutilized them both. 

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11 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Two years ago, we had Miller Kopp and Parker Stewart and underutilized them both. 

Unfortunately, there’s really no reason to believe Woodson will change. In his first 3 seasons, we’ve finished 321st, 352nd, and 355th in the country in 3 pt attempts. The game has completely passed him by. 

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At least other schools still have expectations.  Hope they don't hire Moren.

 

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Unfortunately, there’s really no reason to believe Woodson will change. In his first 3 seasons, we’ve finished 321st, 352nd, and 355th in the country in 3 pt attempts. The game has completely passed him by. 

Why would he change? He's doing his job. Remember???

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1 hour ago, IndyHoops said:

We got into the tournament last year because we had a first team all American in the paint….and still got blown out in the second round.

It wasn’t because of 3pt shooting. In that game from the arc: 

Miami - 9/23

IU - 8/25 

We shot 3s at a rate in that game that would’ve put us near the top in the country. And while not a great shooting display we were only 7% off of Miami’s shooting from 3. 
 

Miami’s 4 starting guards actually shot more effectively from 2 than 3 that game. Which goes back to my point…. They tore our perimeter defensive scheme up. They were quick and ran our guys ragged.  
 

Yes, we should shoot more 3’s. I haven’t read one person here arguing otherwise. But our problems with defense remain which is perfectly illustrated by the Miami game you brought up—and that was a game where we essentially matched them from behind the arc!

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Turned on the McDonald's AA scrimmage and it's going down to the wire. First sequence I watch is Queen getting doubled in the post and kicking it out to a wide open McNeeley for a...wedgie. 

Couldn't help but smile.

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3 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

Just to play devil's advocate though - doesn't Purdue getting to a Final 4 put that belief to bed?

Edey touches the ball every possession and either shoots it or passes it back out after getting double teamed in the post. 

At the end of the day, you just need a really good team.

If you watch them, the ball never stops in the post.  And frequently, it's not a first option -- you see them with pull up jumpers a lot.  When they do go post to Edey, it's either a quick move to the bucket or a quick pass back out.  Then, maybe a reset and a second pass back in.  Meanwhile, the guards/wings are all moving about.  It's a much more open system than what IU does.  

 

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12 minutes ago, str8baller said:

It wasn’t because of 3pt shooting. In that game from the arc: 

Miami - 9/23

IU - 8/25 

We shot 3s at a rate in that game that would’ve put us near the top in the country. And while not a great shooting display we were only 7% off of Miami’s shooting from 3. 
 

Miami’s 4 starting guards actually shot more effectively from 2 than 3 that game. Which goes back to my point…. They tore our perimeter defensive scheme up. They were quick and ran our guys ragged.  
 

Yes, we should shoot more 3’s. I haven’t read one person here arguing otherwise. But our problems with defense remain which is perfectly illustrated by the Miami game you brought up—and that was a game where we essentially matched them from behind the arc!

Our perimeter defensive problems is because MR can’t guard the 4 and MM just started guarding the 3 the last 6 or so games of the season.

Not because Galloway/X/Cupps. Yes, Cupps got toasted a couple times….but not nearly as bad as MM and MR….which, why is MM and MR guarding the 3 and the 4? Well, look at the other end of the floor. 

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2 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Our perimeter defensive problems is because MR can’t guard the 4 and MM just started guarding the 3 the last 6 or so games of the season.

Not because Galloway/X/Cupps. Yes, Cupps got toasted a couple times….but not nearly as bad as MM and MR….which, why is MM and MR guarding the 3 and the 4? Well, look at the other end of the floor. 

Neither Reneau or MM guarded the perimeter against Miami. 

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2 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Our perimeter defensive problems is because MR can’t guard the 4 and MM just started guarding the 3 the last 6 or so games of the season.

Not because Galloway/X/Cupps. Yes, Cupps got toasted a couple times….but not nearly as bad as MM and MR….which, why is MM and MR guarding the 3 and the 4? Well, look at the other end of the floor. 

Both Cupps and Mgbako improved markedly on defense the last third of the season. It's almost always that way with freshmen.

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Just now, AH1971 said:

Neither Reneau or MM guarded the perimeter against Miami. 

And we made the tournament that year…

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2 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

And we made the tournament that year…

Well yeah we had a national player of the year candidate and a first round draft pick at guard.

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6 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

Maybe it would be wise instead of spreading the money around. Consolidate and offer big money to two or three guards?

that way Woody can't do line changes