Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[southernindianahoosier2 902]

31 minutes ago, spe317 said:

I can not tell you how much I want to hear more on this. PT/kinesiology is absolutely fascinating. Are the prescribed focuses/methods beyond a normal routine currently followed? ie could the typical student(lol)/athlete adhere to the change in focus?

Let’s bring in a state of the art training/S&C coach.

*** The TLDR, I'm just an IU fan example, CJ Gunn's shot is terrible, in 5 seconds of looking at him I can tell that he has piraformis syndrome because his feet at 45 degrees outward, he also has rotated femurs which is putting a lot of stress on his patella tendons in his knees putting him at risk for ACL tears and ankle injuries.

Which means when CJ Gunn gets set for a shot his feet are not pointing towards the basket, the wrong muscles are firing, and he's shooting off balance with his feet not pointing to the rim, so his shot % is way lower than it should be. 

To answer your question... You would have to be willing to basically unlearn most of what they taught you in PT school. 90% of Physical therapist's or athletic trainers are trained to be retroactive and prescriptive. Meaning, Juwan Morgan tears his shoulder, then we do these 5 exercises to build his strength back over X timeframe. That's fine when its a standard simple injury. and easier when its upper body

However, body's are dynamic and when a person is injured the over-compensation usually leads to muscle imbalances and you NEVER want to add strength to dysfunction.

In today's world, there is a new wave of Posture, gait, manual manipulation, and dynamic neuromuscular physical therapy / athletic training that aims to fix postural and gait issues in a more proactive sense. I don't have proof, but I don't believe IU has anyone like this, or anyone thats an expert on staff. I think Garl's been there 100 years at this point.

If a buildings foundation is off by even a couple degrees the thing can collapse.

So in a hypothetical example, Juwan hurts his shoulder, now his back muscles are stabilizing the shoulder joint, that tightness in his back pulls his pelvis out of alignment and now he's more susceptible for a lower body injury. its all connected. This year, I'm sure XJ added strength to dysfunction walking in a boot for so long, we didn't have the correct staff in place, he overcompensated and injured his opposite foot this year (pretty sure it was the opposite foot). 

Look at the technologies that a program like IU can use to achieve less injuries. I'm not sure IU has any of it available to their staff, nor would know how to use any of it. (the 3d mapped gait analysis treadmill that measures foot weight distribution as you run is top of the line): https://nydnrehab.com/who-we-are/our-game-changing-technologies/

I've been to the Colts/Pacers doctors, and met the man responsible for why the combine is in Indianapolis, they are great at what they do, but they don't do this. There's one man in Indiana that I've found that I would recommend for injuries, I'd go to him 100 times before I would go anywehre else and he runs the postural performance institute in Indy: https://www.yelp.com/biz/postural-performance-institute-indianapolis

A bad trainer will put in an orthotic in Greg Oden's shoe and ruin his career. (Extreme but it happened real life example)

Here's an example of a great trainer evaluating Keyonte Johnson, who has a similar lower body to CJ Gunn: https://www.instagram.com/posturepro/?hl=en

Here's info on Piriformis Syndrom: https://www.spine-health.com/conditions/sciatica/what-piriformis-syndrome

[Geometry Hoosier 1,151]

Top 5 things I have learned in 421 pages of the fire Mike Woodson thread:
1. I will never move up in the cooperate world because I read and post at work. 
2. I can’t complain about the BOT if I don’t try to get on the BOT. 
3. I am a member of a meaningless message board. 
4. I can’t post about wanting Mike Woodson fired in the fire Mike Woodson thread. 
5. There are actually people who expect quality results from a coach making $4+ million a year. 
 

[dwtaylor1055 1,525]

so what'd I miss from this thread since oh about 2pm on Friday?  

[hoosierbannerd 1,630]

2 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

so what'd I miss from this thread since oh about 2pm on Friday?  

Chris says Dolson essentially has BP waiting in the wings with DM a backup.. otherwise a pissing contest...

[Golfman25 5,483]

7 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

*** The TLDR, I'm just an IU fan example, CJ Gunn's shot is terrible, in 5 seconds of looking at him I can tell that he has piraformis syndrome because his feet at 45 degrees outward, he also has rotated femurs which is putting a lot of stress on his patella tendons in his knees putting him at risk for ACL tears and ankle injuries.

Which means when CJ Gunn gets set for a shot his feet are not pointing towards the basket, the wrong muscles are firing, and he's shooting off balance with his feet not pointing to the rim, so his shot % is way lower than it should be. 

To answer your question... You would have to be willing to basically unlearn most of what they taught you in PT school. 90% of Physical therapist's or athletic trainers are trained to be retroactive and prescriptive. Meaning, Juwan Morgan tears his shoulder, then we do these 5 exercises to build his strength back over X timeframe. That's fine when its a standard simple injury. and easier when its upper body

However, body's are dynamic and when a person is injured the over-compensation usually leads to muscle imbalances and you NEVER want to add strength to dysfunction.

In today's world, there is a new wave of Posture, gait, manual manipulation, and dynamic neuromuscular physical therapy / athletic training that aims to fix postural and gait issues in a more proactive sense. I don't have proof, but I don't believe IU has anyone like this, or anyone thats an expert on staff. I think Garl's been there 100 years at this point.

If a buildings foundation is off by even a couple degrees the thing can collapse.

So in a hypothetical example, Juwan hurts his shoulder, now his back muscles are stabilizing the shoulder joint, that tightness in his back pulls his pelvis out of alignment and now he's more susceptible for a lower body injury. its all connected. This year, I'm sure XJ added strength to dysfunction walking in a boot for so long, we didn't have the correct staff in place, he overcompensated and injured his opposite foot this year (pretty sure it was the opposite foot). 

Look at the technologies that a program like IU can use to achieve less injuries. I'm not sure IU has any of it available to their staff, nor would know how to use any of it. (the 3d mapped gait analysis treadmill that measures foot weight distribution as you run is top of the line): https://nydnrehab.com/who-we-are/our-game-changing-technologies/

I've been to the Colts/Pacers doctors, and met the man responsible for why the combine is in Indianapolis, they are great at what they do, but they don't do this. There's one man in Indiana that I've found that I would recommend for injuries, I'd go to him 100 times before I would go anywehre else and he runs the postural performance institute in Indy: https://www.yelp.com/biz/postural-performance-institute-indianapolis

A bad trainer will put in an orthotic in Greg Oden's shoe and ruin his career. (Extreme but it happened real life example)

Here's an example of a great trainer evaluating Keyonte Johnson, who has a similar lower body to CJ Gunn: https://www.instagram.com/posturepro/?hl=en

Here's info on Piriformis Syndrom: https://www.spine-health.com/conditions/sciatica/what-piriformis-syndrome

So it sounds to me you’re suggesting IU adopt something that even the professional levels haven’t adopted?  

[IUrocker 2,200]

With as much traction and smooth movement we seem to have gotten with BP, I figured there’d be more speak/rumored on the Auburn side of things. One of their forums has a thread about the possibility of BP leaving and it only has 4 pages…Boooorring….haha

[Feathery 4,005]

13 minutes ago, hoosierbannerd said:

Chris says Dolson essentially has BP waiting in the wings with DM a backup.. otherwise a pissing contest...

To resist is to piss in the wind. Anyone who does will end up smelling. 

[IUFAN1976 3,261]

31 minutes ago, hoosierbannerd said:

Chris says Dolson essentially has BP waiting in the wings with DM a backup.. otherwise a pissing contest...

It’s not a given that Woodson will be fired, but BP is waiting in the wings.  How in the heck does this work?  If they don’t fire Woodson, I can see BP getting upset and telling IU not to call him again.  If they actually do have him waiting in the wings, I think you have to fire Woodson or have him retire no matter what.  

[dwtaylor1055 1,525]

45 minutes ago, hoosierbannerd said:

Chris says Dolson essentially has BP waiting in the wings with DM a backup.. otherwise a pissing contest...

thanks for the recap.  

[Kentuckysucks 2,268]

8 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It’s not a given that Woodson will be fired, but BP is waiting in the wings.  How in the heck does this work?  If they don’t fire Woodson, I can see BP getting upset and telling IU not to call him again.  If they actually do have him waiting in the wings, I think you have to fire Woodson or have him retire no matter what.  

The worry for me is Mike knows this is it.  Resigned to his fate and will retire gracefully.  However, we close out the season with a few meaningless wins and Mike's massive ego starts cooking.  He thinks "I got this" and refuses to go.  Quinn and the BOT insist on one more year. Next season is a complete disaster, Mike is finally canned, and the big Dawgs are all long hone.  This is the Indiana way.  Pretty convinced it will happen.

[dwtaylor1055 1,525]

12 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It’s not a given that Woodson will be fired, but BP is waiting in the wings.  How in the heck does this work?  If they don’t fire Woodson, I can see BP getting upset and telling IU not to call him again.  If they actually do have him waiting in the wings, I think you have to fire Woodson or have him retire no matter what.  

sounds as if CMW would need a very STRONG finish to the season(more than just a tourney appearance and at least a sweet 16 appearance minimum to remain HC at IU) with BP waiting in the wings.

[IUrocker 2,200]

9 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It’s not a given that Woodson will be fired, but BP is waiting in the wings.  How in the heck does this work?  If they don’t fire Woodson, I can see BP getting upset and telling IU not to call him again.  If they actually do have him waiting in the wings, I think you have to fire Woodson or have him retire no matter what.  

Well yeah, absolutely. If it’s 100% fact that Dolson has done what it takes to have Bruce Pearl wanting and able to be here next year then you make the move and know that one way or the other Woodson will be gone. If I were to guess they make it be a good send off retirement thing and the players try like heck to send him out on a good note. If by chance Woodson doesn’t wanna play along with the whole retirement thing and not make the transition pretty, then that’s on him and we fire him if that’s what it takes. Dolson knows this is about the future trajectory of the program, and Woodson’s not it. 

[Artie86 1,970]

12 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It’s not a given that Woodson will be fired, but BP is waiting in the wings.  How in the heck does this work?  If they don’t fire Woodson, I can see BP getting upset and telling IU not to call him again.  If they actually do have him waiting in the wings, I think you have to fire Woodson or have him retire no matter what.  

I don't see how Woodson will be fired....He won't want to leave his elite IU basketball playing legacy, 11 year NBA career and short NCAA coaching stint at IU tarnished. He will either decide to retire or step down. 

[Hoosier987 1,203]

7 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

I don't see how Woodson will be fired....He won't want to leave his elite IU basketball playing legacy, 11 year NBA career and short NCAA coaching stint at IU tarnished. He will either decide to retire or step down. 

This would be the best outcome for all parties…but do we actually think Woodson would step down? I don’t think he does. 

[kottke 766]

2 hours ago, Geometry Hoosier said:

Top 5 things I have learned in 421 pages of the fire Mike Woodson thread:
1. I will never move up in the cooperate world because I read and post at work. 
2. I can’t complain about the BOT if I don’t try to get on the BOT. 
3. I am a member of a meaningless message board. 
4. I can’t post about wanting Mike Woodson fired in the fire Mike Woodson thread. 
5. There are actually people who expect quality results from a coach making $4+ million a year. 
 

You forgot one:

6. It’s enjoyable to put one’s wife on a plane and have a quiet house from time to time.

[hper50 1,225]

How the hell are we supposed to wait three weeks or a month for this?

[IUrocker 2,200]

I’m hoping after Auburn wins in the first round of the tournament, they interview Pearl discussing the win against whatever team they played against, and then at the very end he adds something like “…oh, and Go Hoosiers” with some sort of a wink. Then we’ll know…

[Chris007 44,115]

If anyone is concerned I'm alive and well. Not sure I would believe anything I said yesterday with how much I drank. :-) 

Maybe it was all a dream.

[AnotherSznOnTheBrink 216]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

If anyone is concerned I'm alive and well. Not sure I would believe anything I said yesterday with how much I drank. :-) 

Maybe it was all a dream.

Too late. I’ve taken it to the bank. 

[Chris007 44,115]

Just now, AnotherSznOnTheBrink said:

Too late. I’ve taken it to the bank. 

Sounds like we're in good shape, just need to make sure everyone is on board