Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Stuhoo 79,786]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

So we can't call Woody a poop head? My 2 oldest would call him a stinker.

Edit: my son would call him a chicken liver.

Mmmmm…tasty with mustard and rye bread (chicken liver, not poop)

[Golfman25 5,051]

1 hour ago, steubenhoosier said:

Understand about being younger and having never experienced the IU program I went to school with and since…I was there through 1979. I’m a lifetime Alumni Club member and have donated tons over the years. More than ever I want to see our program restored to what it once was.

My only goal here is to bring some balance. I get it that this year has been bad so far. However, I also know that the last two years we made the tournament, which we hadn’t in the 6 previous seasons. Did the tournament appearances satisfy this fan base? Hardly. Was it an improvement? Absolutely. 
 

Those two seasons brought some semblance of positivity to the program. And the way I understand it, TJD and Race were gone until Woodson convinced them to come back. He also developed a pipeline with Montverde that brought us JHS. Imagine where the last two seasons would have been without those guys.

CMW has a story he can tell… he knows what it takes to get to the NBA. High level talent wants to hear that. Now he has to learn to bring in other guys who are going to be around 3-4 years to compliment the one and done guys.

 I think he has earned another year. Impatient and rash decisions don’t make for a successful program. 
 

Sorry for the long post, and to clarify these are just my opinions 

Frankly, it's not about this year's record.  Teams have a down year.  And I do think Woodson did a pretty good job salvaging a team when he got here, so we the fans didn't have to start from zero.  He also made some mistakes with this year's roster (hey it happens).  BUT THE PROBLEM IS HE's SQUANDERED THE FUTURE.  He needed to spend those first two years stacking recruits for next year and the year after.  If he keeps everything together, he's losing probably 3 kids to graduation, one to the NBA and maybe 2 to the portal.  Add the open scholarship and he needs 7 replacements.  He should have 3-4 high school kids stacked to come in (and fill the rest with the portal).  He has one, uno.  And the following year isn't looking any better.  Reports are he's not out doing the leg work guys like Porky Pig up in W. Lafayette are doing.  That is an epic failure and IMO a fireable offense.   

I desperately wanted him to succeed and pumped as much sunshine as anyone.  What better story would there have been  -- gritty Knight player returns home and rights the ship for IU basketball.  That's movie material.  Instead, we have Nightmare on 17th Street.  

[Golfman25 5,051]

53 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Yea were talking about coaching nor playing. Calbert is on that bench and he was may favorite player. He was pretty decent imo. If he was head coach I would want him gone as well!

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I don't think Calbert lets this happen.  From the looks of it, we wants to be gone as well.  :)  

[Golfman25 5,051]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I don’t particularly care about what they were doing decades before I was born. I care about them actively destroying the basketball program I root for now. The cigar smoking, wine drinking, nap loving guy half-a**ing his job, and the guy forcing him down our throats, aren’t going to be able to take the heat off themselves by pointing to their tenures as players 40+ years ago. Not a chance. 

I care.  Becuase is a Shakespearian tradgey.  

[Golfman25 5,051]

45 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

If Woodson is working hard in practice and having late nights in the office doing film study... Then he just extra sucks.

Don't confuse effort with accomplishment.  

[TTT 908]

Woodson and Buckner are quite the gentleman.

Woodson was kind enough to autograph a napkin for me at Friday’s Keystone at the Crossing in Indianapolis in the early eighties.

Shook hands with Buckner at the Bluebird in Bloomington. In the mid seventies.  Gracious gentleman.

[Golfman25 5,051]

31 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I never said anything about those two because they should be gone. You younger fans say you don't care what they did 40 years ago but that is the era that brought those standards to IU.

Exactly.  I looked at the final schedule today.  Back in those days, with the teams we have left it would be coast to the NCAA, and probably have the Big 10 championship along the way.  Now, it seems we'll be lucky to win 1 or 2.      

[Home Jersey 6,697]

2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Exactly.  I looked at the final schedule today.  Back in those days, with the teams we have left it would be coast to the NCAA, and probably have the Big 10 championship along the way.  Now, it seems we'll be lucky to win 1 or 2.      

What does that have to do with Woodson coaching a terrible team and having no recruits coming in if McNeeley wants out? I don't see the point being made

[Golfman25 5,051]

31 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Those comments are directed to the segment of the fanbase that rejects change and refuses to acknowledge that the college basketball world in 2023 is far different than it was in 1983. That segment is part of the problem. Not because they’re “older,” but because of the beliefs they hold. 

What belief is that?  Play good hardnosed, sound, fundamental basketball?  Make more free throws than your opponent takes?  Take good quality shots and play hard defense?   

[Golfman25 5,051]

32 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I think @Hoosierfan2017 and @Scotty R are onto something.

Theres a real element for younger fans of knowing that we’ve had a special history, and wanting it restored and to experience it for themselves in their era.

Whereas the older fans merely want it restored.

If I’m a dyed in the wool younger IU fan? I’m kinda pissed that I don’t have some spectacular times during my era. Hence, a lower tolerance for crappy basketball and team culture.

Put yourself in the shoes of a different generation of IU fans. Both perspectives make sense.

I am beyond pissed.  My kid went there.  He and his buddies had to listen to my stories.  I so wanted success for them, more than anything else.  I want it now so they can get to a final 4 while they still travel and don't have family obligations.  

[HoosierMatty 448]

No doubt college basketball has changed. And with it so are its challenges that maybe older fans don't understand. But the reality is no matter how unrealistic you think their expectations might be, I think it's fair to say we as a program are far removed from reaching what the current and realistic expectations should be.

Regardless of the time and era since Knight was fired there has never been a serious or thoughtful approach to selecting a coach or moving our program forward. 

No serious program would have given Mike Davis the head coaching job after one season or at least never kept him as long as they did.That includes even after he took us to the title game. No school has their president tell their AD who they are going to hire even though the AD already has someone in mind.

Whether you were a Sampson fan or not you would have to agree that was stupid and absurd

And whether you supported his firing or not I'm sure you also agree the way we self punished ourselves was stupid. No other program would do that. You have schools like Kansas essentially give the NCAA the finger. So after that it was hard to find a good coach and again the AD was basically told to hire Crean who was once a hot name once but hadn't done anything since his final four run

But he was squeaky clean and that was all that mattered.

 

People say it's because are fans are ridiculous we can't attract a good coach. Maybe for some coaches that is a reason but that's no different than schools like Kentucky.

The real reason we can't get a good coach is because they know how stupid and inepth our administration is. Coaching is tight fraternity and they talk to each other. They know we are stupid and self righteous with nothing to show for it.

And the worst part is at different times we could have gotten great coaches like Matta or Stevens. Each time we missed our chance because we wouldn't make a move when we needed to. Also both would have run a clean program which they care so much about.

We Have fallen so far not because of our fans. But because we don't have serious people making smart decisions. 

 

 

[Golfman25 5,051]

26 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Criticize our play all day long but name calling or personal attacks on staff and/or players is off limits.  Thank you.

Purdue doesn't count right?  :)  

[Golfman25 5,051]

5 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

What does that have to do with Woodson coaching a terrible team and having no recruits coming in if McNeeley wants out? I don't see the point being made

It has everything to do with.  By the "old" standards we should be on cruise control into the tournament.  

[raorIU 314]

IU disrespect train is rolling: ESPN ticker says Queen picked "Maryland over Kansas and Houston".

[reconmkd 4,333]

If ifs and butts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas.
 

I have settled that there is no chance that CMW will not be on our sideline next season, unless he surprises everyone and steps down. Am I happy, no, but definitely not in the burn it to the ground stage, yet. I would like to see some off-season moves with the staff, not sure who, but would prefer to keep Walsh as he seems to be the guy bringing the players to the table. Obviously not closing the deal, but they are at the table. I never expected us to start landing multiple 5 *s in one season but definitely expected to sprinkle some in with some solid multi year players. Is it the staff? Is it our lack of success in the last couple decades? Or is it we play in the B1G? Who knows for sure. I am also not upset about losing out on Queen, excellent player, but we need guards like 4 months ago.
 

But what do I know and what can I change? I am just a lowly non-IU grad that only spends $600-700 a season on tickets, but I do have a big enough wardrobe of IU swag to wear a different outfit everyday. I guess that is something!

[steubenhoosier 801]

3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Frankly, it's not about this year's record.  Teams have a down year.  And I do think Woodson did a pretty good job salvaging a team when he got here, so we the fans didn't have to start from zero.  He also made some mistakes with this year's roster (hey it happens).  BUT THE PROBLEM IS HE's SQUANDERED THE FUTURE.  He needed to spend those first two years stacking recruits for next year and the year after.  If he keeps everything together, he's losing probably 3 kids to graduation, one to the NBA and maybe 2 to the portal.  Add the open scholarship and he needs 7 replacements.  He should have 3-4 high school kids stacked to come in (and fill the rest with the portal).  He has one, uno.  And the following year isn't looking any better.  Reports are he's not out doing the leg work guys like Porky Pig up in W. Lafayette are doing.  That is an epic failure and IMO a fireable offense.   

I desperately wanted him to succeed and pumped as much sunshine as anyone.  What better story would there have been  -- gritty Knight player returns home and rights the ship for IU basketball.  That's movie material.  Instead, we have Nightmare on 17th Street.  

Get what you are saying to a point, but… if there is such a great sense of angst then wouldn’t it be more prudent to get guys who are going to help immediately rather than high school guys who might take some time to be competitive?

[Mr. Hoosier Pride 485]

This team is painful to watch.... painful...

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[Home Jersey 6,697]

2 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Get what you are saying to a point, but… if there is such a great sense of angst then wouldn’t it be more prudent to get guys who are going to help immediately rather than high school guys who might take some time to be competitive?

But, with that approach, the cupboard is left bare for the next guy. Plus, relying on the portal to fill your entire roster leaves very little time to really evaluate and build relationships. We've seen how this year's chemistry looks... So if the roster needs to be build from scratch and we're not competitive with this staff and he's near retirement age (like it or not, it will be used as a negative on the recruiting trail)... why not hand over the reigns to the next guy and let him start with a clean slate?

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,975]

Go get a win-now, no nonsense, confident-cocky coach for the love of god.


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[HinnyHoosier 4,805]

He can bus-toss this team all he wants, but the absolute truth is Woodson has lost the group entirely. That's never an easy repair going forward and one whose reputation loses recruits before they can even get an offer to turn down.