Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Scotty R 2,127]

1 minute ago, Banksyrules said:

Power/control/own legacy. I used to be in the athletics departments at Duke and UNC and now work as independent advisor to Duke and UNC. I get usually called when departments need issues that have to be addressed.  Power/control/ legacy are powerful reasons to harm a department you helped build. It's hard to let go of that and tough to accept that maybe your (in this case Buckner I guess) the reason the program is failing.  

Didn't say Buckner isn't the problem but he isn't doing it to hurt or devalue the program 

[AZ Hoosier 6,574]

Just now, Scotty R said:

Didn't say Buckner isn't the problem but he isn't doing it to hurt or devalue the program 

Are you sure it's not an "if I can have it, no one can" thing? Asking for a friend.

[Kentuckysucks 2,206]

1 minute ago, Banksyrules said:

Power/control/own legacy. I used to be in the athletics departments at Duke and UNC and now work as independent advisor to Duke and UNC. I get usually called when departments need issues that have to be addressed.  Power/control/ legacy are powerful reasons to harm a department you helped build. It's hard to let go of that and tough to accept that maybe your (in this case Buckner I guess) the reason the program is failing.  

What I've always heard since the RMK firing is no one bigger than the program ever again no matter what.  Of course any coach who wins big here will become a legend.  We are obsessed with basketball.   The ideal coach as I was told is the guy who wins 20 games or so every year and usually makes the dance.   Keeps butts in the seats and the money flowing in but never anything more.  They truly thought they had their man in Tom Crean but he wasn't good enough. 

[Golfman25 5,051]

2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

What I've always heard since the RMK firing is no one bigger than the program ever again no matter what.  Of course any coach who wins big here will become a legend.  We are obsessed with basketball.   The ideal coach as I was told is the guy who wins 20 games or so every year and usually makes the dance.   Keeps butts in the seats and the money flowing in but never anything more.  They truly thought they had their man in Tom Crean but he wasn't good enough. 

As time goes by, I hope those jacka$$es drop off and we can get back to winning.  

[8bucks 6,353]

21 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

Power/control/own legacy. I used to be in the athletics departments at Duke and UNC and now work as independent advisor to Duke and UNC. I get usually called when departments need issues that have to be addressed.  Power/control/ legacy are powerful reasons to harm a department you helped build. It's hard to let go of that and tough to accept that maybe your (in this case Buckner I guess) the reason the program is failing.  

That is pretty cool role and some top notch basketball programs to be involved in. But Didn't Duke and UNC follow the legacy and allowed prior successful Coach heavily influence/control their successors?  For UNC it worked for Roy. Maybe too early to tell if it will work for both currently. 

[JSHoosier 19,850]

14 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

What I've always heard since the RMK firing is no one bigger than the program ever again no matter what.  Of course any coach who wins big here will become a legend.  We are obsessed with basketball.   The ideal coach as I was told is the guy who wins 20 games or so every year and usually makes the dance.   Keeps butts in the seats and the money flowing in but never anything more.  They truly thought they had their man in Tom Crean but he wasn't good enough. 

For the most part Crean did that, in his last 6 years he had 4 20 win seasons and 4 tourney appearances. He won 27 games and went to the Sweet 16 the year before he was fired.

If that was all a coach did the fans would eventually turn, so in effect they're saying they want the fans to care just enough to show up and nothing more.

[Parakeet Jones 3,741]

41 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

We have two home games in a week.  One v Northwestern who is going to need that win.  And Nebraska who has already kicked our butt and took IL to OT.  If we lose those two, does the chit hit the fan?

I think it potentially hits the fan is we lose ugly at Purdue. 

[Banksyrules 4,574]

20 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

That is pretty cool role and some top notch basketball programs to be involved in. But Didn't Duke and UNC follow the legacy and allowed prior successful Coach heavily influence/control their successors?  For UNC it worked for Roy. Maybe too early to tell if it will work for both currently. 

There was a thorough system involved (I came the year Roy Williams was hired so I wasn't involved in that) that got everyones input before making the move(Coaches, players, legacy trustees, and prominent donors). I was referring to my current role where I deal with department issues that occur.  I wish I can be specific in the athletics standpoint but UNC and Duke have access to this account to make sure to keep stuff close to the vest.  They know I'm a big IU guy lol.

[IUFAN1976 2,796]

17 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said:

I think it potentially hits the fan is we lose ugly at Purdue. 

We might get beat by 30 at Purdue 

[IUFAN1976 2,796]

48 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

What I've always heard since the RMK firing is no one bigger than the program ever again no matter what.  Of course any coach who wins big here will become a legend.  We are obsessed with basketball.   The ideal coach as I was told is the guy who wins 20 games or so every year and usually makes the dance.   Keeps butts in the seats and the money flowing in but never anything more.  They truly thought they had their man in Tom Crean but he wasn't good enough. 

That’s what I heard about the Administration but they need to change that philosophy because the younger fanbase will quit following.  

Is Painter bigger than their program?  

[IUFAN1976 2,796]

46 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

As time goes by, I hope those jacka$$es drop off and we can get back to winning.  

It’s been 25 years, you would think most of them have retired or is congregating with Myles Brand.

[HoosierX 1,523]

53 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

What I've always heard since the RMK firing is no one bigger than the program ever again no matter what.  Of course any coach who wins big here will become a legend.  We are obsessed with basketball.   The ideal coach as I was told is the guy who wins 20 games or so every year and usually makes the dance.   Keeps butts in the seats and the money flowing in but never anything more.  They truly thought they had their man in Tom Crean but he wasn't good enough. 

I’m pretty sure no one is worried about Coach Knight at this point. The administration that was there when he was fired has completely turned over, multiple times in many cases.

It would make zero sense for anyone to have that attitude now.

[Scotty R 2,127]

2 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

What I've always heard since the RMK firing is no one bigger than the program ever again no matter what.  Of course any coach who wins big here will become a legend.  We are obsessed with basketball.   The ideal coach as I was told is the guy who wins 20 games or so every year and usually makes the dance.   Keeps butts in the seats and the money flowing in but never anything more.  They truly thought they had their man in Tom Crean but he wasn't good enough. 

Don't believe that for a second. Like I asked earlier why would Buckner want to devalue the basketball program. If the BOT and the president run everything then I don't buy the theory of they don't value basketball 

[Scotty R 2,127]

2 hours ago, 8bucks said:

That is pretty cool role and some top notch basketball programs to be involved in. But Didn't Duke and UNC follow the legacy and allowed prior successful Coach heavily influence/control their successors?  For UNC it worked for Roy. Maybe too early to tell if it will work for both currently. 

There were two coaches between Smith and Williams(Guthridge and Doherty)

[Bowhunter 2,693]

I don’t see Woody getting fired this year with his Buckner and Dolson connections. He got us to the tournament two years in a row . TJD had  a lot to do with that . I’m ready to move on line most of you . I just don’t see him getting fired this season . Also there’s the huge buyout!

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,976]

Least interested I’ve been in a regular season game since CAMs last season and it’s the first week of February.

I don’t think we’ve have 1 great game of basketball all year. Couple of gritty performances but this season is a bust.. Bustier than I’d ever imagine.

Too many, guys don’t give a damn. Too many sleepwalks. I’m pretty sure I’ll still watch or I might just scoreboard check.


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[Hornsby 1,652]

Least interested I’ve been in a regular season game since CAMs last season and it’s the first week of February.

I don’t think we’ve have 1 great game of basketball all year. Couple of gritty performances but this season is a bust.. Bustier than I’d ever imagine.

Too many, guys don’t give a damn. Too many sleepwalks. I’m pretty sure I’ll still watch or I might just scoreboard check.


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At the time the win at Michigan seemed decent. Now michigan is in last place

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[IUCrazy2 2,351]

3 hours ago, Parakeet Jones said:

I think it potentially hits the fan is we lose ugly at Purdue. 

Purdue has a real chance to win everything this year.  If we miss the tournament completely and our rival is in the Final Four or God forbid wins it all, the fans will be in full on pitchfork panic mode.

[cbp4iu 1,401]

I think IU wins atleast 1 more game if not 2 more games. Unfortunately 1/2 more wins means finishing below .500 and that’s awful. I think IU is always good for 1 game a year that randomly wins when they shouldn’t.  Can’t afford to get blown out this week in both games. Lose both games in embarrassing fashion the boys may start hanging head and next home stand could be less filled with more boos. 

[Trish 11,506]

Indiana plays at Ohio State tomorrow. That game may set the sport of basketball back 25 years. In this case, it won’t change much for Indiana’s style. 
 

I anticipate they will win tomorrow. Losing to OSU when they are a sinking ship would be something.