Fire Coach Woodson (or contemplate retirement) Thread

[Chris007 48,512]

Just now, IUc2016 said:

Not that I disagree with him, but doesn't most of his info come from the staff?

Like did he ask them if they thought they were getting fired? Of course they said no chance lol

I believe he gets most of his info from someone on staff. They might be an assistant or just a grad assistant or someone like that.

[Chris007 48,512]

Just now, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Well, if it's by Buckner, Wittman and Zeke, probably not a good idea.

I think it will take Buckner, May, or Zeke to sit him down and say walk away from this for the betterment of IU basketball. Plus give him5-7 million

[realTomCrean 1,716]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think it will take Buckner, May, or Zeke to sit him down and say walk away from this for the betterment of IU basketball. Plus give him5-7 million

It will take a package as described above, but I offer another method of continuity that is important for the program: Woody gets to be in an advisor role. Show up to practice/games at his will, pick his own seat, and bring guest(s) of his choosing. Access to locker room before/after games and a direct line of communication to the new coach. 

[Demo 20,824]

21 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I read that. Sounds like he is saying that an assistant is going to get the axe.

Imagine this is right, for whatever point it would serve. He didn’t hire Hunter. I suppose it could be Ya, though I hope not. Zero chance it’s Walsh.

[Chris007 48,512]

1 minute ago, realTomCrean said:

It will take a package as described above, but I offer another method of continuity that is important for the program: Woody gets to be in an advisor role. Show up to practice/games at his will, pick his own seat, and bring guest(s) of his choosing. Access to locker room before/after games and a direct line of communication to the new coach. 

Whatever it takes I'm all for it. 

[IUrocker 2,362]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think it will take Buckner, May, or Zeke to sit him down and say walk away from this for the betterment of IU basketball. Plus give him5-7 million

Surely hope that happens. I understand Woodson maybe wanting to be back to kind of prove that this season was a fluke, but if we have a big roster turnover anyways of like 6-7 players, then I say why not do it with a new coach to build it his way with his players for the future? Hopefully Buckner, May, etc see it that way for the betterment of the program. Woodson could grab all the players he wants, but unless he gets a handful of TJDs and JHSs to mask the way he operates the college game, then we’d prob risk seeing what we did this year. 

If he does end up being back and ends up getting good guys to plug in and it happens to work, then great, I’ll surely be rooting him on…it’s just that the way this season has turned out there seems to be that fear of what if it happens again when we can get our next guy now and not risk it. 

[Capt. Crimson 3,524]

I believe he gets most of his info from someone on staff. They might be an assistant or just a grad assistant or someone like that.

Pure speculation but I think it would be Ya just from listening from all of their interviews with assistant coaches this year. I’m sure they have lots of guys telling them stuff at this point though. They are pretty connected especially with their NIL fund.


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[JF87 1,709]

10 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think it will take Buckner, May, or Zeke to sit him down and say walk away from this for the betterment of IU basketball. Plus give him5-7 million

NBA assistant coaches make anywhere from $40,000 to $75,000 a year.  IU is paying Mike Woodson 4.2 million a year.  I don't blame Woodson for riding that gravy train as long as he can.  When IU gave Woodson the raise last summer, my hope was that the raise was a way for Mike to make more money and retire earlier.  I'm still hoping that's the case. 

[IUc2016 7,121]

He has already lost the fans. Nearly impossible to come back from that, especially at 66 years old. 

My fear is Dolson knows he isn't the guy but won't pull the trigger after three years, so waits for a fourth. Next year is more of the same and they let him go.

By then IU has missed out on their top two realistic candidates in May and Schertz who have taken other jobs, and the '25 class of Mullins, Sisley, and Robinson (among others) have all decided to play for the other state schools knowing that IU stinks. Yippee

[Chris007 48,512]

4 minutes ago, JF87 said:

NBA assistant coaches make anywhere from $40,000 to $75,000 a year.  IU is paying Mike Woodson 4.2 million a year.  I don't blame Woodson for riding that gravy train as long as he can.  When IU gave Woodson the raise last summer, my hope was that the raise was a way for Mike to make more money and retire earlier.  I'm still hoping that's the case. 

I think you are a little low for the NBA assistant range. They start in 6 figures from what I read and that was an article from 2019. Money is not an issue with Woodson. He has homes in NY, LA, ATL, and here in Bloomington. He's owned a few apartment buildings here in town since the mid 80's. 

[Chris007 48,512]

1 minute ago, IUc2016 said:

He has already lost the fans. Nearly impossible to come back from that, especially at 66 years old. 

My fear is Dolson knows he isn't the guy but won't pull the trigger after three years, so waits for a fourth. Next year is more of the same and they let him go.

By then IU has missed out on their top two realistic candidates in May and Schertz who have taken other jobs, and the '25 class of Mullins, Sisley, and Robinson (among others) have all decided to play for the other state schools knowing that IU stinks. Yippee

This is exactly what I'm worried about

[Stuhoo 83,100]

10 minutes ago, JF87 said:

NBA assistant coaches make anywhere from $40,000 to $75,000 a year.  IU is paying Mike Woodson 4.2 million a year.  I don't blame Woodson for riding that gravy train as long as he can.  When IU gave Woodson the raise last summer, my hope was that the raise was a way for Mike to make more money and retire earlier.  I'm still hoping that's the case. 

That's not true.

NBA Assistants make as little as low six figures, up to over $1 million annually. Looks like the average is $250-300k, and the top dog makes about $2 million/per.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,584]

8 minutes ago, JF87 said:

NBA assistant coaches make anywhere from $40,000 to $75,000 a year.  IU is paying Mike Woodson 4.2 million a year.  I don't blame Woodson for riding that gravy train as long as he can.  When IU gave Woodson the raise last summer, my hope was that the raise was a way for Mike to make more money and retire earlier.  I'm still hoping that's the case. 

I assume you mean 400,000-750,000? 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,584]

What is Woodson's buyout, currently? 

[Chris007 48,512]

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

What is Woodson's buyout, currently? 

12.6 million I believe

[Hoosierfan2017 22,317]

23 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

It will take a package as described above, but I offer another method of continuity that is important for the program: Woody gets to be in an advisor role. Show up to practice/games at his will, pick his own seat, and bring guest(s) of his choosing. Access to locker room before/after games and a direct line of communication to the new coach. 

Why would we want Woodson in an advisor role? Not sure I’d want him advising on 2024 basketball given what he’s shown over the past 3 years. 

[Stuhoo 83,100]

5 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

He has already lost the fans. Nearly impossible to come back from that, especially at 66 years old. 

My fear is Dolson knows he isn't the guy but won't pull the trigger after three years, so waits for a fourth. Next year is more of the same and they let him go.

By then IU has missed out on their top two realistic candidates in May and Schertz who have taken other jobs, and the '25 class of Mullins, Sisley, and Robinson (among others) have all decided to play for the other state schools knowing that IU stinks. Yippee

* There will always be recruits in process when the head coach is on the hot seat, and always later recruits that will be there for the new coach, whenever that might happen.

* There will always be excellent coaching candidates in process when the head coach is on the hot seat, and always later excellent coaching candidates that will be there when a school looks for a new coach, whenever that might happen.

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

12.6 million I believe

Jesus. Just pay that and let's move on. We saved 3 million by Archie being hired at Rhode Island. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 86,550]

26 minutes ago, Demo said:

Imagine this is right, for whatever point it would serve. He didn’t hire Hunter. I suppose it could be Ya, though I hope not. Zero chance it’s Walsh.

Walsh seems to be the one working the hardest with the '25 prospects so I would certainly hope we wouldn't axe him.  If there was a major house cleaning on the horizon, he's the one to keep IMO.

[IUc2016 7,121]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

* There will always be recruits in process when the head coach is on the hot seat, and always later recruits that will be there for the new coach, whenever that might happen.

* There will always be excellent coaching candidates in process when the head coach is on the hot seat, and always later excellent coaching candidates that will be there when a school looks for a new coach, whenever that might happen.

Yes, of course. But if you think one of those two guys are who you want to lead your program, it has to go into the decision making process. 

I agree on the recruits, but it is the best in-state class in some time that could give a new coach a foundation to build on. Especially considering Woody hasn't necessarily done the best job in cultivating relationships with the in-state schools and recruits like Shrews and Painter currently have.