A Case for Dusty May

[Alford Bailey 12,503]

1 minute ago, Scotty R said:

Like I showed earlier most hires go from mid major to a power 5 conference. There are very few who go power 5 to another power 5 team. Most of the all time coaches went from Mid major to their power conference job. With your criteria IU shouldn't have even looked at RMK

That was over 50 years ago…….

[Hoosierfan2017 22,545]

8 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Dusty May has a much better chance of being a CAM than a RMK. 

I think things like this is part of our problem. If everyone is waiting for the next RMK then you will be waiting forever. There are not many coaches who has ever been as good as RMK so in all likelihood we won't ever have that. Not saying we won't ever compete again but you can win without having the next RMK

You’re one of the fans who doesn’t want to play in the gray area. If that’s what you want then you basically need an RMK-caliber coach to consistently win big. You’re not doing it with just an above average guy. 

[Chris007 49,611]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You’re one of the fans who doesn’t want to play in the gray area. If that’s what you want then you basically need an RMK-caliber coach to consistently win big. You’re not doing it with just an above average guy. 

What is the gray area these days?

[Alford Bailey 12,503]

Did UK, UNC, Duke and Kansas hire a mid major flavor of the month? No, long time assistant or NBA/ high major coach.

[Hovadipo 58,238]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

What is the gray area these days?

Today’s gray area is yesterday’s death penalty lol. 

[Golfman25 6,014]

30 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

This is the part I am not sure many fans have realized yet. Most of these top teams have multiple transfers they didn’t “develop.”

They bring in top HS players, transfer in the top transfers and rinse/repeat. It is still early in this new world but very easy to see.

Talent wins all. Another reason why BIG Ten is getting worse and worse each year. The top players don’t come to BIG ten.

Someone pulled those stats not long ago and the other power conferences continue to bring in better talent than BIG Ten. Especially at the guard position. This isn’t just an IU thing. Top talent is avoiding it. That was not the case 20 years ago. 

Idk.  Most of the tip 10 ranked teams have only 1-2 transfers.  They are filling holes.  Not rebuilding rosters. 

[Scotty R 2,583]

1 hour ago, Alford Bailey said:

That was over 50 years ago…….

Hurley came from a mid major

Arizona's coach came from Gonzaga as an assistant coach

Painter from S. Illinois

Duke and UNC hired assistants with no HC experience

Syracuse hired an assistant with no HC experience

Villanova hired a former assistant with 1 year experience of HC

All of these happened less than 50 years ago

 

[Gnet550 940]

8 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Clay County?? So that's what's wrong with you. Just messing with you. Yes, he comes from a good family. 

Hey now lol it’s not like I’m from Owen County!

[Gnet550 940]

8 hours ago, southsidehoosier said:

I mean they have the Cory apple festival. I married a Clay Co girl. Guess she didn’t find anyone at her family reunion to date

I’d like to hear you say that to her face…lol nothing wrong with good ole Clay County! The Eels are on fire this year!

[Gnet550 940]

8 hours ago, Hornsby said:

I don't he has. He had three years to prove what he can do which is plenty of time. Nothing is suddenly going to change next year with a 66 year old man. He is what he is and last year is his ceiling imo. If IU fans are ok with that then I guess keep him. I have no doubt May will be hired by Louisville if we don't pull the plug on Woodson.

 

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I hear you but you do realize almost all the great coaches struggled for a few years first…he got us back to the Tourney, and still could this year. ( we had rough stretches the ost two years and made it in)

 

if you fire Woodson, you lose McNeely and probably any hope of the 25’ class (Sisley, Haralson, Mullins, etc…) now your 2 years into another rebuild. I’d let this season play out and at least give him a shot next year and see which way the arc of the program is. Trust me I’m as frustrated as anyone with the team right now, but if you keep firing every 4 or 5 years there will never be continuity and the program will always be on shaky ground…let hope he pulls it together for 24 and 25 and rides off in the sunset and May or a young stud coach comes in to restore the program to its rightful place

[realTomCrean 1,751]

Can you guys let the current coach get fired before we start hating on the next coach

[Golfman25 6,014]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

From last year sweet 16. 

“In total, there are 69 transfers among the remaining 16 teams in this year’s NCAA Tournament.”

The stars of the tourney and top teams, in most cases, are transfers. You combine that with top level talent. Building over years is rare now.
 

Purdue is one of the few and even they made a game changing add. The guys that have killed us most of the time this year and last have been transfers. 

It is more than filling holes. 

I think your numbers may be off.  I count 30 transfers in last year's Sweet 16 teams.  Which is 1.8 per team.  Only Uconn, Kansas state and Ark had 3 or more.  Granted, Uconn won the whole enchilada.  

IMO the idea that you're going to be successful year over year with a bunch of transfers is a fallacy.  

[Golfman25 6,014]

31 minutes ago, Gnet550 said:

I hear you but you do realize almost all the great coaches struggled for a few years first…he got us back to the Tourney, and still could this year. ( we had rough stretches the ost two years and made it in)

 

if you fire Woodson, you lose McNeely and probably any hope of the 25’ class (Sisley, Haralson, Mullins, etc…) now your 2 years into another rebuild. I’d let this season play out and at least give him a shot next year and see which way the arc of the program is. Trust me I’m as frustrated as anyone with the team right now, but if you keep firing every 4 or 5 years there will never be continuity and the program will always be on shaky ground…let hope he pulls it together for 24 and 25 and rides off in the sunset and May or a young stud coach comes in to restore the program to its rightful place

I am all for stability, but you said it right there -- we lose McNeely.  That's it?????  Woodson has been here for 3 years recruiting at the HS level.  And while he has some success with guys like Renue, JHS, MM -- he only has one incoming for next year.  That is not getting it done by any measure.    

[Golfman25 6,014]

7 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

Can you guys let the current coach get fired before we start hating on the next coach

party pooper.  

[Gnet550 940]

7 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

I am all for stability, but you said it right there -- we lose McNeely.  That's it?????  Woodson has been here for 3 years recruiting at the HS level.  And while he has some success with guys like Renue, JHS, MM -- he only has one incoming for next year.  That is not getting it done by any measure.    

True right now, but seems we have a good shot with Queen…if that works out then who knows…also Woodson has done his best recruiting work in the spring…might help if he’d start in the summer/fall for the next year lol

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,579]

8 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

I think your numbers may be off.  I count 30 transfers in last year's Sweet 16 teams.  Which is 1.8 per team.  Only Uconn, Kansas state and Ark had 3 or more.  Granted, Uconn won the whole enchilada.  

IMO the idea that you're going to be successful year over year with a bunch of transfers is a fallacy.  

I think you are only counting the players that transferred the previous year. There were 69 total transfers on last year's sweet sixteen teams.

[Chris007 49,611]

8 hours ago, Gnet550 said:

Hey now lol it’s not like I’m from Owen County!

True Owen Co is the worst. It bothers me to drive across the bridge into their county. I always tell my wife the more you drive across this bridge the dumber we get so let's stay away from this town. 

[IndyResident16 567]

11 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

This is the part I am not sure many fans have realized yet. Most of these top teams have multiple transfers they didn’t “develop.”

They bring in top HS players, transfer in the top transfers and rinse/repeat. It is still early in this new world but very easy to see.

Talent wins all. Another reason why BIG Ten is getting worse and worse each year. The top players don’t come to BIG ten.

Someone pulled those stats not long ago and the other power conferences continue to bring in better talent than BIG Ten. Especially at the guard position. This isn’t just an IU thing. Top talent is avoiding it. That was not the case 20 years ago. 

IU has three of the top 5 highest rated players in the B10, one of them being one of the top transfers in the portal. This has been the most miserable season in my 50+ years of IU fandom. It's less enjoyable than the early Crean years. If you can't construct a roster or develop the talent you do have, you don't have a chance. Throwing a bunch of highly rated players together like Woodson has done this year is going to result in a missed tournament. 

[str8baller 6,008]

17 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The mid-major flavor of the year doesn’t excite me. I want to poach a coach from another program. If IU can’t do that (and I don’t think they can), then we’re likely in for another multi-year slow burn rebuild. I’m not interested in that. I’ve been hearing “it’s only year X, wait till he gets his guys and system in place” for far too long. Get me a guy who can kick a** in year 1 and I’ll be excited. 

I share some of your concerns, but I would push back against 2 things: 

1) It doesn’t have to be a slow rebuild. We have pieces and with the portal, a good coach could be competitive next year.  
 

2) Getting a guy who can win big right away isn’t real indicative of anything. One of the weird quirks of sports is sometimes a coaching change gives an immediate uptick in success but the coach can’t sustain it.  
 

I’d think if May is the right guy he could retain Reneau, Cupps and crew and hopefully the Burger Boy. Grab at least one quality transfer guard.  And that should be the bones of a competitive B1G team and then build from there. 

[Chris007 49,611]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

I share some of your concerns, but I would push back against 2 things: 

1) It doesn’t have to be a slow rebuild. We have pieces and with the portal, a good coach could be competitive next year.  
 

2) Getting a guy who can win big right away isn’t real indicative of anything. One of the weird quirks of sports is sometimes a coaching change gives an immediate uptick in success but the coach can’t sustain it.  
 

I’d think if May is the right guy he could retain Reneau, Cupps and crew and hopefully the Burger Boy. Grab at least one quality transfer guard.  And that should be the bones of a competitive B1G team and then build from there. 

I think McNeely could be recruited to stay if the coaching change was May. It's a fun offense, that he would get lots of looks in. Then you get a head start in recruiting for 25 for which we have some good Indiana kids in that class.