Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA

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10 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Did they offer him the job? Pretty sure Dolson panicked and later acted like he was the smartest guy in the room.

I think that’s fair, just noting I believe that was the scuttlebutt at the time 

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Dolson was legally required, accordiing to Allen’s previous contract, to give the one-year extension. What Dolson did NOT have to do, but chose to do anyway, was to also take the expensive buyout from the 2019 contract and make it even more expensive.

ARE as head coach would probably be Cam Cameron 2.0. Pass.

 I think it may be more likely that IU would make a “safe” choice like Chryst or maybe even Fitzgerald, although that could cause some P.R. problems.

Personally, I’d be more inclined to go for an up-and-coming G5 guy like Sumrall or even a successful FCS coach like Vigen or Chesney.

EDIT: maybe more than any of the aforementioned guys, I might be interested in Sean Lewis, even more because of what he did as HC at Kent State than what he’s done as OC at Colorado.

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1 hour ago, Josh said:

I completely understand that one of his guys would have his back. I wouldn't expect anything else. But sometimes it's just time for a change. I like CTA, he seems to be a good man. I wanted him to succeed in one of the toughest jobs in America. He hasn't. I wish him the best but it is time to move on. And I no way expect the next guy to do better. It's just the way the cycle works.

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15 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

This is a fair summary. I would argue that IU may have to pay a larger buyout that other schools if we want to keep what we think is a great coach. IF we have to keep TA another year because of this then Dolson’s seat should be extremely hot. But if he is able to get alumni on board to help with this and build the program the right way then he has done his job.  I am sure he had a lot of influential people asking the same questions. His job now is to rally these donors and find the right coach for IU football. Big job for sure and time will tell if he did that or not. 

And look, I acknowledge that the AD couldn’t really have sat back and done nothing at the time if other programs were sniffing around. But between the buyout number and the automatic extension for bowl seasons (which apparently Allen didn’t even ask for), it seems like we went way overboard when it wasn’t necessary. It doesn’t seem like he really stopped to consider IU’s ‘out’ in the event things went south. Even if Dolson finds the money, that’s money that could’ve been spent on other parts of the program. 

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25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Heading into the 2021 season, Tom Allen had the 4th biggest buyout in all of college football. The top 5 at that time? Jimbo Fisher, Dabo Swinney, Nick Saban, Tom Allen, and Ryan Day. One of those 5 is not like the others… 

 https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-football-coaching-buyout-ranking-the-10-most-expensive-jimbo-fisher-dabo-swinney-nick-saban-ryan-day-173603213/amp/
 

Surely there’s a middle ground between “investing heavily in the program” and doing what IU did after the 2020 season. An AD shouldn’t allow himself to become a prisoner of the moment. The 2019 team didn’t beat a single team with a winning record and the 2020 season was played under utterly bizarre circumstances. Our AD let his emotions guide him and gave Allen a bigger buyout than OSU had for Ryan Day. The other schools on that top 5 list can easily afford huge buyouts. IU, not so much. The AD’s horrible decision after 2020 is the only reason it’s even a question whether they’re going to fire a guy who has went 3-24 in conference play over his last three seasons. At any other P5 program it wouldn’t even be a question that he’s gone. 

They could also have had different buyouts for different situations. IU could have given a large buyout if Allen leaves on his own (i.e., if another school hires him away) without also having a huge buyout to fire him if he can't continue to win.

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16 minutes ago, Magisterium said:

Dolson was legally required, accordiing to Allen’s previous contract, to give the one-year extension. What Dolson did NOT have to do, but chose to do anyway, was to also take the expensive buyout from the 2019 contract and make it even more expensive.

ARE as head coach would probably be Cam Cameron 2.0. Pass.

 I think it may be more likely that IU would make a “safe” choice like Chryst or maybe even Fitzgerald, although that could cause some P.R. problems.

Personally, I’d be more inclined to go for an up-and-coming G5 guy like Sumrall or even a successful FCS coach like Vigen or Chesney.

Just knowing the way IU is, I see zero chance that we hire Fitzgerald. But he would be a grand slam hire. 

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Heading into the 2021 season, Tom Allen had the 4th biggest buyout in all of college football. The top 5 at that time? Jimbo Fisher, Dabo Swinney, Nick Saban, Tom Allen, and Ryan Day. One of those 5 is not like the others… 

Dolson most certainly should be strung up for that deal. Even if Allen managed to walk on water, there is no way he should ever have gotten the deal he got. It’s close to malfeasance and is, IMO, gross mismanagement on Dolson’s part.

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*totally not a ripping-on-mamasa post as I know we’re all just spitballing and waiting for tomorrow afternoon to get here*
That list is just asinine. Candle is the only one that makes a lick of sense for one of either the coach or IU. 

Curious....why not Traylor?

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The buyout that we are all criticizing is nothing more than a smart business decision by CTA. Not one of us wouldn't have taken that deal. The fault lies with the people who offered it. Sometimes it works in your favor and sometimes it doesn't.  I think CTA is a good man who is taking a lot of crap right now and it probably hurts. I believe he really thought he could be the guy who made us succeed. He wasn't. Let's keep this about job performance and not make it personal against CTA.

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1 hour ago, Gahoosierfan said:

Dolson needs to be fired also. He is the @@@ that a couple of years ago gave Allen a big raise and contract extension which will cost IU a fortune.

Zero reasons to fire Dolson

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11 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Curious....why not Traylor?

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Texas guy through and through. Don’t see him having any interest in IU. I’d take him in a heartbeat but it doesn’t make any sense. 

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1 minute ago, mamasa said:

Zero reasons to fire Dolson

What has Dolson done since being hired? 

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6 minutes ago, cthomas said:

The buyout that we are all criticizing is nothing more than a smart business decision by CTA. Not one of us wouldn't have taken that deal. The fault lies with the people who offered it. Sometimes it works in your favor and sometimes it doesn't.  I think CTA is a good man who is taking a lot of crap right now and it probably hurts. I believe he really thought he could be the guy who made us succeed. He wasn't. Let's keep this about job performance and not make it personal against CTA.

Maybe CTA is a good guy, maybe he’s not. The only CTA I know is the guy who goes out and loses every Saturday and then points the finger at everyone but himself afterwards. Maybe he’s a different guy in private. 

I don’t think anyone blames Allen for the contract. If someone offers you an incredible deal you take it. I do blame him, though, for the abysmal team he’s trotted out the past 3 years. 

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20 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Just knowing the way IU is, I see zero chance that we hire Fitzgerald. But he would be a grand slam hire. 

At some point, if IU wants to be more successful, someone has to change “the way it is”.  That means someone has to have the balls, even if it’s IU’s female president, to say that’s the guy.  Hire him!

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6 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

What has Dolson done since being hired? 

Fired Archie!  One of the brightest days in IU basketball in 20 years

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Just now, Josh said:

Fired Archie!  One of the brightest days in IU basketball in 20 years

Two donors put the money in his lap.

But yeah when firing a coach is your greatest achievement in 4+ years you ought to be updating the resume.

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2 hours ago, Artie86 said:

I just talked to my guy good friend in Bloomington. He was my old college roommate. He worked for IU in sports management and had several connections with former IU players. I just thought I would ask what he thought or heard… This was was his reply and only a rumor of what he heard. Mind you, this is what he has heard, but he said who knows. Take it for what it’s worth. He said his source is from inside athletics…

The rumor over the last few weeks…  Is that Allen will be fired and his replacement is Antwaan Randall El. Apparently it’s a done deal.  
Allen is a good guy and incredible values but unfortunately that doesn’t win games. 

He will end up a defensive coordinator somewhere. Another rumor is Southern Cal is interested in him for the DC job.

This is not really a rumor. Just a USC "blogger" who made a top 5 possible replacements (a list of HCs who might be fired) for DC job.I saw the article a couple of days ago: https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/usc-defensive-coordinator-search-update-for-november-20-with-notes-and-analysis/. Honestly most of what is a rumor seems to be forum "info". My buddy knows Tom Brewer and his "info" is never more than what we get here. 

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30 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Curious....why not Traylor?

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Believe he’s already interviewed with A&M

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Two donors put the money in his lap.

But yeah when firing a coach is your greatest achievement in 4+ years you ought to be updating the resume.

Nope. CTA earned that extension when it was offered. And you would be lying to yourself if you think this site and IU fans as a whole would NOT be pissed off if he got poached shortly after those amazing seasons he had.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Maybe CTA is a good guy, maybe he’s not. The only CTA I know is the guy who goes out and loses every Saturday and then points the finger at everyone but himself afterwards. Maybe he’s a different guy in private. 

I don’t think anyone blames Allen for the contract. If someone offers you an incredible deal you take it. I do blame him, though, for the abysmal team he’s trotted out the past 3 years. 

I agree about the job performance part but I haven't seen anything that suggests that he is anything less than a good person. I absolutely hate how we take sports to an incredibly absurd level of importance. It's just sports. We all want our favorite team to be good. But it's just sports. I refuse to crucify a guy because he wasn't the coach we wanted. In terms of IU football who has been in the last 50 years? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is not life altering stuff.