Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA

[IndyResident16 567]

Just now, AZ Hoosier said:

COVID was clearly a one-off that screwed up a lot... but every team in America were hamstrung with the same limitations... 

IU wasn’t impacted by player opt-outs (if at all) like several other B10 schools. Arguably the best defender in the country Micah Parsons didn’t play a down for Penn State that year. 

[AZ Hoosier 6,546]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

Most large donations are donated for specific reasons.  You can't just use the money for whatever you like, the donor says exactly what they want it used for.  If a couple big donations come in to fire Allen, but wouldn't have come in otherwise, then you're really not using facility money to fire a coach.

If I have $10-20M to donate to IU football, I'd be willing to spend it on paying the buyout for a awful coach... but I'd much prefer to not have to spend it on that, but on something that would move the program forward (yeah, firing Allen will do that, too, but you get my point).

[IndyResident16 567]

9 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I say "yes". If he can raise $20M to fire a coach, could he have not expended the same effort to raise $20M for facilities, staff, etc?

So he guarantees Allen's buyout, effectively costing the university money that could have been raised and spent more proactively to move the program forward, even in some small way.

At best, IF Dolson raises the $20M to can Allen, he's breaking even... he hasn't moved the needle in that scenario.

According to the resident fundraising expert, IU has a specific applicant pool for the Tom Allen buyout fund. According to the same resident fundraising expert, these donors ONLY contribute to buyouts, there’s no possibility their donations go to other athletic endeavors.

By the way, as an AD, if you need a donor applicant pool that only contributes to coaching buyouts…you’re terrible at your job and probably shouldn’t have one going forward.

[DChoosier 7,843]

6 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

According to the resident fundraising expert, IU has a specific applicant pool for the Tom Allen buyout fund. According to the same resident fundraising expert, these donors ONLY contribute to buyouts, there’s no possibility their donations go to other athletic endeavors.

By the way, as an AD, if you need a donor applicant pool that only contributes to coaching buyouts…you’re terrible at your job and probably shouldn’t have one going forward.

To help a new coach succeed we need NIL football donors as much as we need anything.

[Josh 12,557]

13 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

According to the resident fundraising expert, IU has a specific applicant pool for the Tom Allen buyout fund. According to the same resident fundraising expert, these donors ONLY contribute to buyouts, there’s no possibility their donations go to other athletic endeavors.

By the way, as an AD, if you need a donor applicant pool that only contributes to coaching buyouts…you’re terrible at your job and probably shouldn’t have one going forward.

Lol.  But seriously, what experience/knowledge do you have in this area?  Or are you just going off your own guesses?  I notice you've never answered this so I assume you're just shooting from the hip?

[iubb 2,490]

Paging @Chris007 ...would Chris please pick up the  white courtesy phone.  

 

[IndyResident16 567]

9 minutes ago, Josh said:

Lol.  But seriously, what experience/knowledge do you have in this area?  Or are you just going off your own guesses?  I notice you've never answered this so I assume you're just shooting from the hip?

My own guesses? More like common sense. Someone willing to contribute $20 million for Tom Allen not to coach anymore is also willing to contribute $20 million to other athletic endeavors when/if needed.

What, some rich IU alum has waited his entire life to be the one to buy Tom Allen out of his ridiculously bad contract only to never be heard from again? That’s what you’re selling us? 
 

Stick to your day job.

[Josh 12,557]

1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

My own guesses? More like common sense. Someone willing to contribute $20 million for Tom Allen not to coach anymore is also willing to contribute $20 million to other athletic endeavors.

What, some rich IU alum has waited his entire life to be the one to buy Tom Allen out of a ridiculously bad contract only to never be heard from again? That’s what you’re selling us? 
 

Stick to your day job.

Your common sense isn't as common as you think.  But you've won me over with your big brain ideas.  We should definitely fire Dolson and hire you!  Your pretend scenarios are definitely the way to go

[iubb 2,490]

My own guesses? More like common sense. Someone willing to contribute $20 million for Tom Allen not to coach anymore is also willing to contribute $20 million to other athletic endeavors when/if needed.

What, some rich IU alum has waited his entire life to be the one to buy Tom Allen out of his ridiculously bad contract only to never be heard from again? That’s what you’re selling us? 

 

Stick to your day job.

Insulting folks wont win you many arguments.

 

And regarding your hypothetical. Yes. Thats exactly how donations work in the educational world.

 

Someone donates money with the stipulation it goes towards a specific cause/purpose or project.

 

(See Assembly Hall) or many college buildings named after someone who donated money so it could be built.

 

 

 

 

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[IndyResident16 567]

Just now, Josh said:

Your common sense isn't as common as you think.  But you've won me over with your big brain ideas.  We should definitely fire Dolson and hire you!  Your pretend scenarios are definitely the way to go

Why hire me when IU could just hire a competent AD with actual experience to begin with? A novel concept I know.

Imagine passing over Pat Kraft or Chris Reynolds to hire Scott Dolson? Imagine hiring Fred Glass to run an athletic program and then letting him name his assistant as successor. Amateur hour…literally.

[Josh 12,557]

1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

Why hire me when IU could just hire a competent AD with actual experience to begin with? A novel concept I know.

Imagine passing over Pat Kraft or Chris Reynolds to hire Scott Dolson? Imagine hiring Fred Glass to run an athletic program and then letting him name his assistant as successor. Amateur hour…literally.

Experience?  Isn't that what you're belittling as you promote your own "common sense" instead?  You have no experience/knowledge on how donations work, but you've convinced yourself that your ideas are correct

[IndyResident16 567]

14 minutes ago, iubb said:

Insulting folks wont win you many arguments.

 

And regarding your hypothetical. Yes. Thats exactly how donations work in the educational world.

 

Someone donates money with the stipulation it goes towards a specific cause/purpose or project.

 

(See Assembly Hall) or many college buildings named after someone who donated money so it could be built.

 

 

 

 

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1. I didn’t insult anybody

2. Who said otherwise?

3. Someone willing to contribute to Tom Allen’s buyout can’t/wouldn’t contribute to other athletic endeavors if buying out Tom Allen wasn’t on the table? Lol

4. So Cindy Simon-Skjodt hasn’t donated to other IU endeavors outside the $40 million AH face lift? Lol

[IndyResident16 567]

28 minutes ago, Josh said:

Experience?  Isn't that what you're belittling as you promote your own "common sense" instead?  You have no experience/knowledge on how donations work, but you've convinced yourself that your ideas are correct

IU wouldn’t need a $20 million donation to buy out Tom Allen if IU had a competent AD to begin with as no competent AD would have fully guaranteed Allen’s $30 million buyout in the first place. The fact that Dolson is apparently good at coming up with the money to fix his mistakes is further proof that he has no idea what he’s doing as an athletic director and should no longer have a job, let alone be tasked with hiring another football coach. What experience or acumen does he have in that regard? Fred Glass? Again literal amateur hour in Bloomington.

Thanks Josh for once again proving my point. 

[iubb 2,490]

IU wouldn’t need a $20 million donation to buy out Tom Allen if IU had a competent AD to begin with as no competent AD would have fully guaranteed Allen’s $30 million buyout to begin with. The fact that Dolson is apparently good at coming up with the money to fix his mistakes is further proof that he has no idea what he’s doing as an athletic director and should no longer have a job, let alone be tasked with hiring another football coach. What experience or acumen does he have in that regard? Fred Glass? Again literal amateur hour in Bloomington.
Thanks Josh for once again proving my point. 

You continue to miss the point.


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[IndyResident16 567]

2 minutes ago, iubb said:

You continue to miss the point.


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Which point? That Dolson is incompetent or that Josh doesn’t understand how fundraising works and that there are a number of IU athletic donors who contribute to multiple endeavors including but not limited to buyouts, facility upgrades, etc 

[iubb 2,490]

Which point? That Dolson is incompetent or that Josh doesn’t understand how fundraising works and that there are a number of IU athletic donors who contribute to multiple endeavors including but not limited to buyouts, facility upgrades, etc 

Im just going to agree to disagree. No point in continuing this argument further


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[rcbowla 7,020]

Texas guy through and through. Don’t see him having any interest in IU. I’d take him in a heartbeat but it doesn’t make any sense. 

Gotcha and that reason does make sense lol

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[rcbowla 7,020]

Experience?  Isn't that what you're belittling as you promote your own "common sense" instead?  You have no experience/knowledge on how donations work, but you've convinced yourself that your ideas are correct

His delivery sucks but his point is solid imo. The donor that holds their $ for a FB coach buyout would eventually use that $ towards something else to help the program if there were no need for a buyout right? I would assume said donor would be happy with 10 years of success under one coach and donate that alloted $ towards facilities or whatever that would help continue and enhance the program. Seems cynical and downright miserable to be a person that would only donate $ to fire a person.

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[Trish 11,505]

Im ready to start tracking some planes! Any planes heading to Boston anytime soon? @Chris007 ;)

[Stuhoo 79,666]

9 hours ago, IndyResident16 said:

IU isn’t going to spend a dime buying out Allen, it’s all donor funded. And it will be a negotiated settlement paid out in one lump sum somewhere between $12-15 million.

IU can negotiate down to a large 12-15 lump sum and finance their obligation.

It would also be offset by future earnings.