IUBB @ Northwestern - Wednesday, 2/15/23 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

[Banksyrules]

2 minutes ago, str8baller said:

They get the players because they have great coaches. They just had two guys retire with 8 titles between them. The big ten hasn’t had anyone close to that since Knight was in his heyday 30 years ago. You think that is because of officiating?  That is patently absurd.   
 

Good lord, you guys take your myopic whining so far that you have yourself convinced the big bad scary officials are out to get IU and are holding us back. It couldn’t be our own incompetence or other programs’ excellence. Nope…. It must be the officials. That is a world view that don’t hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. 

Seriously dude. The conference hasn’t won a natty since 2000. Sheesh wake up.

[str8baller]

Just now, Banksyrules said:

Seriously dude. The conference hasn’t won a natty since 2000. Sheesh wake up.

Nobody is disputing that fact. We’re arguing why. I’m saying coaching and program competency. You’re arguing officiating.  
 

If Coach K and Roy Williams coached in the B1G there would be plenty of titles. But not according to you, because of officiating. C’mon… 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

They get the players because they have great coaches. They just had two guys retire with 8 titles between them. The big ten hasn’t had anyone close to that since Knight was in his heyday 30 years ago. You think that is because of officiating?  That is patently absurd.   
 

Good lord, you guys take your myopic whining so far that you have yourself convinced the big bad scary officials are out to get IU and are holding us back. It couldn’t be our own incompetence or other programs’ excellence. Nope…. It must be the officials. That is a world view that don’t hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. 

If you don't think style of play has a direct result in the lack of Big Ten recruiting compared to some other conferences, I would say that you are the myopic one.

The Pac 12 has five five-star recruits coming in next year to four different teams....USC, Oregon, Colorado, and Stanford.  Quick -- who coaches those.  The Big Ten has two five-stars coming in, both to Michigan State.  Are you saying recruits are attraced to 'great coaches' like Jared Haase and Tad Boyle?  Check the top recruits over the last ten years.  The Big Ten isn't getting them.

 

[RaceToTheTop]

Just now, str8baller said:

Nobody is disputing that fact. We’re arguing why. I’m saying coaching and program competency. You’re arguing officiating.  
 

If Coach K and Roy Williams coached in the B1G there would be plenty of titles. But not according to you, because of officiating. C’mon… 

Link the proof.

[Banksyrules]

Just now, str8baller said:

Nobody is disputing that fact. We’re arguing why. I’m saying coaching and program competency. You’re arguing officiating.  
 

If Coach K and Roy Williams coached in the B1G there would be plenty of titles. But not according to you, because of officiating. C’mon… 

Coach Williams is a crappy coach who was successful only because who had a slew of McDonald all Americans. Coach K is legit but if he was in the big ten you bet you’re bottom dollar he wouldn’t let the conference allow such horrible officiating.  

[iubb]

Coach Williams is a crappy coach who was successful only because who had a slew of McDonald all Americans. Coach K is legit but if he was in the big ten you bet you’re bottom dollar he wouldn’t let the conference allow such horrible officiating.  

Yup. Coach K would have sway. And say fix this **** or i am gone. And the big 10 would fix it because they know that the moment someone like K Leaves the Tv Ratings would tank.


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[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, iubb said:

Yup. Coach K would have sway. And say fix this **** or i am gone. And the big 10 would fix it because they know that the moment someone like K Leaves the Tv Ratings would tank.


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Simple question:  what program in any other power five conference has had sustained success playing the way that Wisconsin plays?  The closest you can come is Virginia, but deep down they really don’t play like Wisconsin — they play a slow tempo but have athletes.

[iubb]

Same with College football.

Ohio state is the last big 10 team to win it all in 2014.


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[iubb]

Simple question:  what program in any other power five conference has had sustained success playing the way that Wisconsin plays?  The closest you can come is Virginia, but deep down they really don’t play like Wisconsin — they play a slow tempo but have athletes.

Its been 23 years since the last time a team from the big 10 won it all in men’s college basketball.

 

Wonder how much longer that will need to continue for the brainless suits at big 10 HQ to realize something is wrong.

 

 

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[Uspshoosier]

Just now, iubb said:

Its been 23 years since the last time a team from the big 10 won it all in men’s college basketball.

Wonder how much longer that will need to continue for the brainless suite at big 10 HQ to realize something is wrong.


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They know they have a problem.  That’s why they hired Terry Wymer to oversee B1G officiating.   Don’t think it’s going to get fixed in year 1.    Long way to go to get it to look like the other leagues.     Don’t know if it will make a difference in the long run but for them to hire him is the first step in acknowledging a problem exists.  

[JSHoosier]

4 hours ago, Schreckbagger said:

 

 

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That should've been an offensive foul.  He lowered his shoulder and extended his arm to push off.

[Whoozhers]

I for one am tired and worn out of the Kopp experiment. It’s been C - -.

Had big moment opportunities to have huge impact in last night’s game…… No results.

[IUCrazy2]

5 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Simple question:  what program in any other power five conference has had sustained success playing the way that Wisconsin plays?  The closest you can come is Virginia, but deep down they really don’t play like Wisconsin — they play a slow tempo but have athletes.

The ACC doesn't let it's two best teams lose back to back games to a middle of the pack team because of officiating either.  The Big Ten trades higher seeds for more teams in the tournament.  

[Stuhoo]

Great game— never thought we’d come back like that.

Sucks to lose at the finish but it happens. Impressed that we were able to put on that run against a very good team on the road.

We’re now “down” to having won 8/10 in conference without X. Still good stuff. 

[Stuhoo]

PS… in my opinion?

Refs miss calls—I get it. Too much talking about it is really whiny.

[LamarCheeks]

Chris Collins on the "F-ck you, Miller" chants ... 

 

 

[JSHoosier]

27 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

PS… in my opinion?

Refs miss calls—I get it. Too much talking about it is really whiny.

I don't expect refs to be perfect.  Fast pace and things can get missed especially if they're borderline.  I generally tend to subscribe to the notion that if the refs made the difference you probably didn't deserve to win in the first place.

That being said some things should definitely called.  The pushoff in the clip posted above wasn't exactly subtle.

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I don't expect refs to be perfect.  Fast pace and things can get missed especially if they're borderline.  I generally tend to subscribe to the notion that if the refs made the difference you probably didn't deserve to win in the first place.

That being said some things should definitely called.  The pushoff in the clip posted above wasn't exactly subtle.

Agreed!

That push off was less obvious at full speed and more often than not doesn’t get called in crunch time imo.

[LIHoosier]

6 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If you don't think style of play has a direct result in the lack of Big Ten recruiting compared to some other conferences, I would say that you are the myopic one.

The Pac 12 has five five-star recruits coming in next year to four different teams....USC, Oregon, Colorado, and Stanford.  Quick -- who coaches those.  The Big Ten has two five-stars coming in, both to Michigan State.  Are you saying recruits are attraced to 'great coaches' like Jared Haase and Tad Boyle?  Check the top recruits over the last ten years.  The Big Ten isn't getting them.

 

And don't use the weather excuse either. It gets freezing @ss cold in places like Lawrence, Kansas too.

[94Bulldog]

26 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Chris Collins on the "F-ck you, Miller" chants ... 

 

 

Weak.   Didn’t have control of?   Sorry but during the first timeout you grab the pa mike and tell them to stop.