IUBB @ Iowa - Thursday, 1/5/23 @ 9:00 on FS1

[IU - Kaulie 1,925]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

At some point we need the promise to come through in his performance. The guy’s halfway through his junior year and gets lost like a freshman on the court. At some point you have to wonder if he just is what he is.

I have been saying this forever and have been criticized for it in the past.  He is an athlete not a basketball player.  He seems like a really good kid but he should be playing very limited minutes in short spurts if at all.

[monskisprodigy 1,995]

2 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

We looked best last night in the second half with TJD and 4 perimeter players.  With Race going down I like that lineup depending on matchups of course.  Malik is struggling so much and I think those waiting on Geronimo is going to be waiting awhile.

Play Duncomb.  TJD can’t play the minutes he played last night while injured.  Logan has played well in limited minutes against bad competition but he’s earned a run to see what he can do.  Gunn needs to play as well.

Not sure on the coaching decisions last night.  Really didn’t like the JHS drive.  We needed more action.  If their is one guy on this team I want to see taking a shot to win a game it’s Bates.  He’s our alpha.

The officiating continues to just be bad.  They are scared of The Franimal.  I am too for that matter.  The Geronimo technical.  Bad call on the JHS foul.  It’s just awful and embarrassing officiating.  

What's wild is they pulled back the technical on Geronimo, and called it just a delay of game, which still gave them a free throw. 

I guess the ref thought maybe he tossed the ball in a lofty/high/slow manner to him, delaying the game...fine. But what happened to players getting a warning first before getting an actual delay of game? Just jumped directly to a delay of game call. The rest of the game had players on both sides touching/hitting the ball after it going through the hoop, and nothing was called. 

Was just very bizarre. Not to mention the blatant goal tend by JG later in the game that the refs just overlooked ha-ha. 

[go iu bb 6,656]

One play that really stands out in my mind concerning effort last night happened early in the second half. Iowa missed a shot and the rebound went a little long. 4 IU players just stood there and watched the ball hit the ground. Only 1 IU player, I think it was Kopp, made any effort to get it. He had to run over from 10-15 feet away. 2-3 other IU players were closer and should've gotten to it first but they just stood still. It was ridiculous. 

[Banksyrules 4,932]

I’ve been very down on this team but if there’s any positive it’s that Tamar Bates is slowly getting it and could be awesome by the end of the season come tournament time.

I don’t care about big ten titles like others do but if Woodson could somehow make everyone healthy and gelling by the time the tournament starts with Bates being a better shooter… we could be a scary team.  Big if though and sadly I think Woodson’s tenure could be dictated through how we perform in march madness(for good recruits to hop on board ).

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

But if Smith and Loyer, plus the kid on Wisconsin are all playing minutes in the Big Ten, then Gunn can too

It's rather amazing those young freshmen (what were their recruiting rankings out of high school???) are able to get minutes on Big 1.o teams and not look completely lost. How is it that we have freshmen and juniors that look completely lost out there?
Malik Reneau is much more talented than what he has shown recently. At some point we have to stop blaming the players and start blaming the situation, system, leadership, etc. they're put into. Would they look oblivious if they were in a program with strong culture and a system for them to succeed?

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11 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

I’ve been very down on this team but if there’s any positive it’s that Tamar Bates is slowly getting it and could be awesome by the end of the season come tournament time.

I don’t care about big ten titles like others do but if Woodson could somehow make everyone healthy and gelling by the time the tournament starts with Bates being a better shooter… we could be a scary team.  Big if though and sadly I think Woodson’s tenure could be dictated through how we perform in march madness(for good recruits to hop on board ).

The problem is they need to get enough wins to make the tournament. If they don't they aren't scary to anyone regardless how good they may be at that time.

Winning on the road it tough but this was a very winnable game, even with the injuries. Iowa just isn't very good this year.

[Chris007 46,160]

22 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

We looked best last night in the second half with TJD and 4 perimeter players.  With Race going down I like that lineup depending on matchups of course.  Malik is struggling so much and I think those waiting on Geronimo is going to be waiting awhile.

Play Duncomb.  TJD can’t play the minutes he played last night while injured.  Logan has played well in limited minutes against bad competition but he’s earned a run to see what he can do.  Gunn needs to play as well.

Not sure on the coaching decisions last night.  Really didn’t like the JHS drive.  We needed more action.  If their is one guy on this team I want to see taking a shot to win a game it’s Bates.  He’s our alpha.

The officiating continues to just be bad.  They are scared of The Franimal.  I am too for that matter.  The Geronimo technical.  Bad call on the JHS foul.  It’s just awful and embarrassing officiating.  

I don't think the play was for JHS to take the last shot. Woodson gave him a look like why didn't you stick to the play after he missed. 

[Alford Bailey 12,417]

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28 minutes ago, southsidehoosier said:

After Wisconsin last year 

 

Race was holding Murray in check too

THAT is key.  He was also going after rebounds hard before being tackled.  Nobody grabbed the wheel and took over in his absence.

[Chris007 46,160]

4 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

It's rather amazing those young freshmen (what were their recruiting rankings out of high school???) are able to get minutes on Big 1.o teams and not look completely lost. How is it that we have freshmen and juniors that look completely lost out there?
Malik Reneau is much more talented than what he has shown recently. At some point we have to stop blaming the players and start blaming the situation, system, leadership, etc. they're put into. Would they look oblivious if they were in a program with strong culture and a system for them to succeed?

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just screaming to anyone who will listen put CJ GUNN in the DAMN game

[Chris007 46,160]

19 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

What's wild is they pulled back the technical on Geronimo, and called it just a delay of game, which still gave them a free throw. 

I guess the ref thought maybe he tossed the ball in a lofty/high/slow manner to him, delaying the game...fine. But what happened to players getting a warning first before getting an actual delay of game? Just jumped directly to a delay of game call. The rest of the game had players on both sides touching/hitting the ball after it going through the hoop, and nothing was called. 

Was just very bizarre. Not to mention the blatant goal tend by JG later in the game that the refs just overlooked ha-ha. 

Someone said that IU was warned for touching the ball after a made basket on a TJD dunk, but it was going to a timeout and TV didn't catch it. I have no idea if that is true but I did read that. But as an official, you stop the game and make sure everyone knows the Delay of game has been warned. Coaches and players.

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1 minute ago, Alford Bailey said:

Showing he is about as big of an idiot as his dad....not only should Fran have got a T, but he came across half court and was jawing too, he should have also received one.  We scored 89 points, I don't think their defense was quite as destructive as he thinks.  Did we have some bad plays/stretches, sure, but scoring 89 shows he's an idiot.  Our defense was the major issue, obviously, giving up 91.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

3 hours ago, str8baller said:

I don’t think this is true. JHS shot the lights out. Kopp is fine when open. Bates was hitting shots. Galloway couldn’t get open. Which is the problem. We have horrible spacing and the guys throw the ball around the perimeter with their feet not set and 7ft away from the arc. That’s not hard to defend.  
 

We don’t shoot a ton of threes but someone posted the other day that we’re near the top in percentages. 

He had one 3PA, one. One shot behind the line in 31 minutes of game time. How does that happen? He was about 10-10 on pump fakes but ONE 3PA. Why? I think he lacks quickness and confidence to get his shot off in these types of situations. Others were able to get their shot off but Iowa, like others, game planned to stay on Kopp.

Our offense is 1) get it into TJD 2) throw it into the post 3) make sure we're in the paint. Where is the movement to help TJD get easy buckets and others good looks?

JG was bad last night but Kopp gave up some easy drives and over helped (glad we're able to voice this now). Unfortunately, this will continue in Big 1.o play.

The positive (!!) Kopp pulled down 9 rebounds last night. Glad to see he is in fact capable of rebounding. However, we were out rebounded by Iowa (!!!). Wow

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

5 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

THAT is key.  He was also going after rebounds hard before being tackled.  Nobody grabbed the wheel and took over in his absence.

Let's pump the brakes on this narrative real quick and look at the numbers.

Race played 10 minutes while Murray played 40 minutes.

According to another poster (I didn't look at the actual scoring so it could be off) Murray had 7 points while Race was playing and 23 points while Race was out. The quick math on that. Murray scored 7 of 30 while Race was in the game for ~23% of his total points in 10 of 40 minutes or 25% of the game. He scored the other 23 of 30 points or ~76% of his total points in the 30 of 40 minutes or 75% of the game.

If those numbers (7 points while Race was in the game) are accurate Race being in or out didn't effect Murray's ability to get buckets that much.

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27 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

One play that really stands out in my mind concerning effort last night happened early in the second half. Iowa missed a shot and the rebound went a little long. 4 IU players just stood there and watched the ball hit the ground. Only 1 IU player, I think it was Kopp, made any effort to get it. He had to run over from 10-15 feet away. 2-3 other IU players were closer and should've gotten to it first but they just stood still. It was ridiculous. 

I remember that play, completely different from the effort we showed in the first 10 minutes of the game (coincidentally whe RT was playing).

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

10 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just screaming to anyone who will listen put CJ GUNN in the DAMN game

I'm not blaming anyone either. I'm trying to figure out why we can't get more talented freshmen to contribute on a worse team than "less" talented freshmen on other Big 1.o teams. I don't think CJ Gunn would have a problem getting shots up while in the game and that might be why he's not seeing more minutes?

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Someone said that IU was warned for touching the ball after a made basket on a TJD dunk, but it was going to a timeout and TV didn't catch it. I have no idea if that is true but I did read that. But as an official, you stop the game and make sure everyone knows the Delay of game has been warned. Coaches and players.

I believe this is accurate, unsure about the exact play but I thought they mentioned it during the technical.

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1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

Let's pump the brakes on this narrative real quick and look at the numbers.

Race played 10 minutes while Murray played 40 minutes.

According to another poster (I didn't look at the actual scoring so it could be off) Murray had 7 points while Race was playing and 23 points while Race was out. The quick math on that. Murray scored 7 of 30 while Race was in the game for ~23% of his total points in 10 of 40 minutes or 25% of the game. He scored the other 23 of 30 points or ~76% of his total points in the 30 of 40 minutes or 75% of the game.

If those numbers (7 points while Race was in the game) are accurate Race being in or out didn't effect Murray's ability to get buckets that much.

I said nothing about Murray.  Race was playing hard going to the glass  and looking for TJD.  No one did that after he was injured.

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6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

He had one 3PA, one. One shot behind the line in 31 minutes of game time. How does that happen? He was about 10-10 on pump fakes but ONE 3PA. Why? I think he lacks quickness and confidence to get his shot off in these types of situations. Others were able to get their shot off but Iowa, like others, game planned to stay on Kopp.

Our offense is 1) get it into TJD 2) throw it into the post 3) make sure we're in the paint. Where is the movement to help TJD get easy buckets and others good looks?

JG was bad last night but Kopp gave up some easy drives and over helped (glad we're able to voice this now). Unfortunately, this will continue in Big 1.o play.

The positive (!!) Kopp pulled down 9 rebounds last night. Glad to see he is in fact capable of rebounding. However, we were out rebounded by Iowa (!!!). Wow

We gave up 14 second chance points and 20 points off turnover.

[Chris007 46,160]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm not blaming anyone either. I'm trying to figure out why we can't get more talented freshmen to contribute on a worse team than "less" talented freshmen on other Big 1.o teams. I don't think CJ Gunn would have a problem getting shots up while in the game and that might be why he's not seeing more minutes?

Agreed. Sometimes I wonder if Woodsen isn't like Tom Allen in being old school where the freshman needs to learn from not playing for a year or two. But we already play two freshmen so not sure. Will he make mistakes yes but he won't be afraid to look for his shot as some other guys are.