Three point % and distribution comparisons

[RaceToTheTop]

First comparison of Indiana's three point percentage made and percentage of shots that are taken that are three pointers compared to other Big Ten teams:

IU:  hitting 36.5% of our threes;  32.6% of shots are three pointers

Illinois:  hitting 33.3% of their threes;  45.8% of shots are threes.

Iowa:  hitting 32.7% of their threes;  36.8% of shots are threes

Maryland:  hitting 32.2% of their threes; 41.0% of shots are threes

Michigan:  hitting 36.0% of their threes;  37.9% of shots are threes

Michigan St:  hitting 37.7% of their threes;  33.4% of shots are threes

Minnesota:  hitting 32.9% of their threes;  38.7% of shots are threes

Nebraska:  hitting 29.7% of their threes;  37.5% of shots are threes

Ohio State:   hitting 37.5% of their threes;  32.8% of their shots are threes

Penn State:  hitting 39.8% of their threes;  40.4% of their shots are threes

Purdue:  hitting 31.1% of their threes;  39.8% of their shots are threes

Northwestern:  hitting 31.9% of their threes;  44.2 of their shots are threes

Wisconsin:  hitting 37.4% of their threes;  40.3% of their shots are threes

Rutgers:  hitting 30.2% of their threes;  29.9% of their shots are threes

Indiana is 5th in three point percentage, 13th in rate of three pointers shot per field goal attempts.  Median values for the league:  33.1% of field goals made, 38.3% of shots taken are three pointers.

By three pointers made per game, IU is tied for 10th in the conference with Purdue at 7.1 made per game.  In attempts, they are only ahead of Nebraska.  IU takes 19 per game.

For comparison:

IU averages 7.1 made threes on 19 attempts;  the league medians are 7.5 makes on 23 attempts.  Last year IU made 6.1 on 18 attempts.

[IU Scott]

Just looks to me there are a lot of bad shooting teams. When looking at the stats I see we are only shooting 18 free throws a game which is more of a concern to me that the amount of 3's we shoot.

[HoosierHoopster]

Thanks for running this comparison, pretty much shows what I thought but wasn’t sure, we’re shooting better but still towards bottom in volume- outside takes.

With TJD inside we could be doing a better job of developing the inside-out game to spread the floor and open lanes. I don’t understand why we’re still taking less outside shots, Kopp and Bates can hit, JHS, JG, Race and Gallo have all shown they at least can. Staff needs to spread the offense better.

I’d bet we’re shooting a lot less outside than most other top 25 teams as well but leave that for later comp

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Thanks for running this comparison, pretty much shows what I thought but wasn’t sure, we’re shooting better but still towards bottom in volume- outside takes.

With TJD inside we could be doing a better job of developing the inside-out game to spread the floor and open lanes. I don’t understand why we’re still taking less outside shots, Kopp and Bates can hit, JHS, JG, Race and Gallo have all shown they at least can. Staff needs to spread the offense better.

I’d bet we’re shooting a lot less outside than most other top 25 teams as well but leave that for later comp

We certainly don’t want JG and Race shooting more threes.  Bates and Galloway and maybe Gunn will be getting minutes that X had so I expect that that combo will shoot more threes than X did.

[HoosierHoopster]

2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

We certainly don’t want JG and Race shooting more threes.  Bates and Galloway and maybe Gunn will be getting minutes that X had so I expect that that combo will shoot more threes than X did.

I understand why you’d say that about JG, but he’s hit some big 3’s and his form is solid. We’d say the same about Gallo coming into the season but his shot on more takes is better. I’d like to see JG shoot more, i think his percentages would go up

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I understand why you’d say that about JG, but he’s hit some big 3’s and his form is solid. We’d say the same about Gallo coming into the season but his shot on more takes is better. I’d like to see JG shoot more, i think his percentages would go up

Food for thought:  Geronimo has played 67 games and has shot 15 of 52 from three (29%).  In terms of 'big 3's', he's only made 3 three pointers in games we won that were even close (within 15).  

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Food for thought:  Geronimo has played 67 games and has shot 15 of 52 from three (29%).  In terms of 'big 3's', he's only made 3 three pointers in games we won that were even close (within 15).  

It’s all relative, his percentages this year were better earlier, yes they were low last year, you could do something similar with Gallo who was terrible from the arc last year. I’m not saying JG is a strong 3 pt shooter, but I’d bet he would get to 34% or so on more takes, the form is there.
Food for thought, Vic shot in the 20s his soph year, hit in the 40s his jr  yr. I remember a long convo with a guy who posts here who said he was a poor outside shooter, then he was mediocre. JG has the form, and he hit several big 3’s (timely, important) last season

[Alford Bailey]

7 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

It’s all relative, his percentages this year were better earlier, yes they were low last year, you could do something similar with Gallo who was terrible from the arc last year. I’m not saying JG is a strong 3 pt shooter, but I’d bet he would get to 34% or so on more takes, the form is there.
Food for thought, Vic shot in the 20s his soph year, hit in the 40s his jr  yr. I remember a long convo with a guy who posts here who said he was a poor outside shooter, then he was mediocre. JG has the form, and he hit several big 3’s (timely, important) last season

Ah yes the VO comparison. Took a while but we all knew where this was heading.

[JSHoosier]

Geronimo is shooting 15% from 3 this year, on the most attempts of his career per game (slightly), and 29% for his career.  Him shooting 3s?  Literally every defense we would face agrees with that.

EDIT:  Plus over his career as his attempts have gone up the percentage has gone down.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

Geronimo is shooting 15% from 3 this year, on the most attempts of his career per game (slightly), and 29% for his career.  Him shooting 3s?  Literally every defense we would face agrees with that.

EDIT:  Plus over his career as his attempts have gone up the percentage has gone down.

Yeah, there’s really nothing at all to suggest he would suddenly go from a career 29% three point to a 34% shooter if he took more shots. Usually the inverse happens - your percentage drops the more you take, and that’s exactly what’s happened with him. He went from 40% on 0.5 attempts per game to 31% on 0.9 attempts per game to 15% on 1.1 attempts per game. He’s made 2 threes all year. He made 9 threes all of last year. It doesn’t matter if his form looks nice if he doesn’t make them. Just look at Rob Phinisee. 

[JSHoosier]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah, there’s really nothing at all to suggest he would suddenly go from a career 29% three point to a 34% shooter if he took more shots. Usually the inverse happens - your percentage drops the more you take, and that’s exactly what’s happened with him. He went from 40% on 0.5 attempts per game to 31% on 0.9 attempts per game to 15% on 1.1 attempts per game. He’s made 2 threes all year. He made 9 threes all of last year. It doesn’t matter if his form looks nice if he doesn’t make them. Just look at Rob Phinisee. 

He's athletic but that doesn't mean he's another Vic; Vic exploded as a JR and worked his tail off to get there.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

He's athletic but that doesn't mean he's another Vic; Vic exploded as a JR and worked his tail off to get there.

You mean Vic didn’t threaten to transfer, show up late to the bus, and complain about his role? Lol. I feel like anytime there’s an athletic but raw guy the Vic comparisons come out, but players like Vic are a rare breed. 

[HoosierHoopster]

Merry xmas 

[Hoosier987]

With all due respect to JG…he should never be compared to Vic. Hanner? Yes. Vic? Hell no.

[RaceToTheTop]

11 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You mean Vic didn’t threaten to transfer, show up late to the bus, and complain about his role? Lol. I feel like anytime there’s an athletic but raw guy the Vic comparisons come out, but players like Vic are a rare breed. 

I don’t know anything about showing up late but I do know he was NOT one of the players suspended against Northwestern last year.  In terms of ‘threatening to transfer’ everyone on the team except Leal and Galloway (maybe TJD, don’t recall) ‘threatened’ to do so when they put their name in the portal after Miller was fired.  Woodson’s a big boy, he’s not going to be held hostage by ‘threats’.