IUBB vs Little Rock - Wednesday, 11/23/22 @ 6:30 on BTN

[str8baller]

3 hours ago, Old Friend said:

Until he takes bad shots against good teams and we lose in large part because he settles and tries to do things he can't.  You'll care then.

He will. Thequestion will be: has he progressed/learned enough for him to be enough of an asset by tourney time that those early indiscretions were worth it?

[Old Friend]

On 11/25/2022 at 8:13 PM, 8bucks said:

Well like I said, I am not concerned now. In games where we win big I like him looking for opportunities.  If he can consistently hit that mid range jumper that will be huge for us. 
 

I assume he will start hitting or stop shooting down the road. 

Kids who take bad shots generally keep taking bad shots.  In 6 games, he has consistently taken quick shots and missed them.   Most of which he can get any time he wants to and the defense didn't have to do any work at all.  I don't assume he'll start making them because he's not a good shooter.  What I DO assume is his coach will sit him if it continues because like Johnson a year ago, selfish shots are a turnover for him, and he does it too frequently.   

He is shooting 33.3% from the floor.  As a freshman.  He has no business taking the shots he does.

A quick "take the first one you get" shot is a bad shot unless it's taken by the right kid in the right circumstance.   So far, he is not the right guy to take them, and his decisions have not been good.  "Let the game come to you" is something from which he would benefit.

I'm not asking anyone to agree with me.  I may think differently than most, but I disagree with "he should keep taking the same shots because they'll eventually go in."   Maybe.  But until they do?  Against good teams and in close games, that's what gets you beat.  Empty possessions are empty possessions.  He creates too many right now between hero passes and missed "bad" shots.  I don't mind the ones that come within the flow of the offense.  Everybody misses those sometimes.  It's the quick ones that he just fires I have a problem with.

[rcbowla]

Kids who take bad shots generally keep taking bad shots.  In 6 games, he has consistently taken quick shots and missed them.   Most of which he can get any time he wants to and the defense didn't have to do any work at all.  I don't assume he'll start making them because he's not a good shooter.  What I DO assume is his coach will sit him if it continues because like Johnson a year ago, selfish shots are a turnover for him, and he does it too frequently.   
He is shooting 33.3% from the floor.  As a freshman.  He has no business taking the shots he does.
A quick "take the first one you get" shot is a bad shot unless it's taken by the right kid in the right circumstance.   So far, he is not the right guy to take them, and his decisions have not been good.  "Let the game come to you" is something from which he would benefit.
I'm not asking anyone to agree with me.  I may think differently than most, but I disagree with "he should keep taking the same shots because they'll eventually go in."   Maybe.  But until they do?  Against good teams and in close games, that's what gets you beat.  Empty possessions are empty possessions.  He creates too many right now between hero passes and missed "bad" shots.  I don't mind the ones that come within the flow of the offense.  Everybody misses those sometimes.  It's the quick ones that he just fires I have a problem with.

Agree and to me the the "no-look" passes that are doing nothing but being flashy, because they aren't moving defenders, are equally frustrating to watch.

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[Brass Cannon]

Perhaps we should wait till he’s taking bad shots against good team prior to criticizing him for it? 

[IU Scott]

I rather have a player be a little to aggressive and trying to make plays over guys who are passive ie(Phinnisee)

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

I rather have a player be a little to aggressive and trying to make plays over guys who are passive ie(Phinnisee)

Absolutely. Bring on the spark and fire

[Old Friend]

On 11/29/2022 at 3:21 PM, Brass Cannon said:

Perhaps we should wait till he’s taking bad shots against good team prior to criticizing him for it? 

Perhaps you should watch the Xavier game when he was 1 for 9.   Bad shots are bad shots.   Makes no difference who they're against.

[Old Friend]

On 11/29/2022 at 4:31 PM, IU Scott said:

I rather have a player be a little to aggressive and trying to make plays over guys who are passive ie(Phinnisee)

Indiana doesn't need a freshman guard to aggressively  "make plays."  He needs to get his shots within the flow of the offense and "make plays" the same way.

[IUc2016]

Lol strange

[Brass Cannon]

7 hours ago, Old Friend said:

Perhaps you should watch the Xavier game when he was 1 for 9.   Bad shots are bad shots.   Makes no difference who they're against.

Did you seriously post this after the UNC game lol 

[IUc2016]

53 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Did you seriously post this after the UNC game lol 

he seriously did. Made sure to do it before he posted anything in the UNC game thread lol

[HinnyHoosier]

Perhaps you should watch the Xavier game when he was 1 for 9.   Bad shots are bad shots.   Makes no difference who they're against.

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[rcbowla]

JHS took 1, maybe 2 bad shots last night (one of which went down). He played much better and let his shots come within the flow for the most part. He still tries to make difficult passes that typically haven't gone well for him. He continues to be elite on defense and is a solid PG. If he continues to let his shots come in the flow of the offense I have zero issues with the kid outside of reigning in the flash pass. He's also the only guy I'm confident can create his own shot outside of maybe X but I feel more confident when JHS does it. However there is a good time and bad time to do that.

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[Old Friend]

5 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

 

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I'll pass.  Still took two horrible shots and had 4 turnovers.   You can love on it if you want to.   Not for me.  He's got game and a bright future, but the bad shots need to stop.  There's no crow to be eaten after one "better" game.  We'll see.  It took X a full year to get consistently better.

[Old Friend]

8 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Did you seriously post this after the UNC game lol 

You're still such a troll.   I love it.  

[Old Friend]

4 hours ago, rcs29 said:

JHS took 1, maybe 2 bad shots last night (one of which went down). He played much better and let his shots come within the flow for the most part. He still tries to make difficult passes that typically haven't gone well for him. He continues to be elite on defense and is a solid PG. If he continues to let his shots come in the flow of the offense I have zero issues with the kid outside of reigning in the flash pass. He's also the only guy I'm confident can create his own shot outside of maybe X but I feel more confident when JHS does it. However there is a good time and bad time to do that.

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This.   What I love is a couple of bad shots go in for a single game (he entered shooting 33% from the floor and still below 40%), and the number of people playing "gotcha!" just grows.  He is so close to being an elite player.   Just needs to be smarter and absolutely let the game come to him.  That's true 100% of the time.  Bad shots are bad shots whether they come against UALR or Duke.  They're a bad habit and create empty possessions.  Anyone who doesn't think that matters is fooling himself.   I'll die on the hill and let people try to feed me crow.  Bring it.

[Brass Cannon]

6 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

You're still such a troll.   I love it.  

Says the guy doubling down on blasting our player after he has a great game. Wanna carve out some time to make fun of Treys hair while your at it 

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

This.   What I love is a couple of bad shots go in for a single game (he entered shooting 33% from the floor and still below 40%), and the number of people playing "gotcha!" just grows.  He is so close to being an elite player.   Just needs to be smarter and absolutely let the game come to him.  That's true 100% of the time.  Bad shots are bad shots whether they come against UALR or Duke.  They're a bad habit and create empty possessions.  Anyone who doesn't think that matters is fooling himself.   I'll die on the hill and let people try to feed me crow.  Bring it.

He’s played 7 games.  He has to make mistakes to learn.  God I pity anybody you have ever had to lead in any context 

[IU Scott]

39 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

I'll pass.  Still took two horrible shots and had 4 turnovers.   You can love on it if you want to.   Not for me.  He's got game and a bright future, but the bad shots need to stop.  There's no crow to be eaten after one "better" game.  We'll see.  It took X a full year to get consistently better.

Man, some people can never be happy unless they ***** about something.  I truly feel sorry for people who can't just enjoy the game and be entertained by it. You aren't the coach so why worry about things out if your control. The on thing I think is bad about our fan base is they view things as if they are coaches and not fans.

[HinnyHoosier]

There's no crow to be eaten after one "better" game. 

 

Noted.

 

 

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