IU Basketball News and Notes

[steubenhoosier 883]

33 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Huber’s isn’t 77 miles from Btown. I’d guess it’s around 60, if that. Donations are the reason for that event not for a recruiting advantage.


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I can understand Huber from a fundraising standpoint. But when it's pointed out all the talent in the area, and yet one kid has committed to IU from that neck of the woods in the recent past, I don't buy  it as a recruiting gem.

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53 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Huber’s isn’t 77 miles from Btown. I’d guess it’s around 60, if that. Donations are the reason for that event not for a recruiting advantage.


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We realize that. 

And yes, Hubers is 100% 77 miles from Bloomington. Check a map, we aren't crows. Even then it's more than 60. 

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1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Huber’s isn’t 77 miles from Btown. I’d guess it’s around 60, if that. Donations are the reason for that event not for a recruiting advantage.


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I think to Steuben's point, Indiana writes off the state basically north of Kokomo by not having any events up this direction.  And to be really frank, they don't do much outside of Huber's for anything. (Talking outside of Bloomington)

 

[el drado 68]

On 5/8/2024 at 1:15 PM, btownqb said:

What have Loyer and Furst developed? I don't really think we've missed on much talent at all from the FW area in BASKETBALL. The HS basketball isn't that good there, the lack of recruits show that. I don't want Loyer or Furst. 

Football on the other hand, football is big time. And we HAVE missed on a lot of recruits there. Tons, some I'm not sure we will ever get in on... any kid that goes to Dwenger, for example, and ND offers--- is going to ND. It doesn't matter what Indiana does...

multiple FW kids, in football, have gone to OSU in recent years, as well. We will never win recruiting battles against OSU. 

Luers, Dwenger, Snider, and Homestead are excellent football programs. Others have talent. The FW programs in basketball don't/haven't matched that talent. 

Living in the Fort, this is pretty spot on.  I honestly cannot remember a kid from here becoming a high level college player.  There have been a decent amount of high level recruits, but they do not really materialize for some reason.  To be fair, no one gives a sh!t about southern indiana high school players either; Romeo was just a recruiting win.

It all comes to winning for football.  If IU wins, more recruits will turn their heads.  IU just needs to win

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Yogi. Ferrell. Is. 31. 
Just gonna take a leisurely stroll into traffic now.

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34 minutes ago, el drado said:

Living in the Fort, this is pretty spot on.  I honestly cannot remember a kid from here becoming a high level college player.  There have been a decent amount of high level recruits, but they do not really materialize for some reason.  To be fair, no one gives a sh!t about southern indiana high school players either; Romeo was just a recruiting win.

It all comes to winning for football.  If IU wins, more recruits will turn their heads.  IU just needs to win

Guess Deshaun Thomas making 1st team All-B1G and 2nd team All-American or Caleb Swanigan being 1st team All-
American and B1G POY don't constitute being a "high level college player."

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1 hour ago, steubenhoosier said:

And it's not just NE Indiana that is ignored, it's the entire northern part of the state. RMK use to get lots of guys from around South Bend and "The Region". Abernathy, Laskowski, even Dakich. We have gotten one in the last 15 years or so-- the kid from South Bend that was supposed to be a great shooter, and turned out not to be so much. Basically, anything Marion and north is being ignored.

Have any of the IU coaches articulated any type of recruiting strategy?  Seems to me it's been about chasing a bunch of shiny things.  

My own philosophy is:

1)  Dominate the state

2)  Be uber competitive in the region (IL, OH, KY, etc.)

3)  Then grab a 5* or two nationally.  

 

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2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Have any of the IU coaches articulated any type of recruiting strategy?  Seems to me it's been about chasing a bunch of shiny things.  

My own philosophy is:

1)  Dominate the state

2)  Be uber competitive in the region (IL, OH, KY, etc.)

3)  Then grab a 5* or two nationally.  

 

Verbatim what Archie said he would do... 

then didn't scout correctly 

[IUHoosierJoe 1,174]

1 hour ago, steubenhoosier said:

Guess Deshaun Thomas making 1st team All-B1G and 2nd team All-American or Caleb Swanigan being 1st team All-
American and B1G POY don't constitute being a "high level college player."

Two in 15 years.  And IU never had any chance with one of those no matter how much time they would have spent up here.

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1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Verbatim what Archie said he would do... 

then didn't scout correctly 

Archie is a moron.  

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1 hour ago, steubenhoosier said:

Guess Deshaun Thomas making 1st team All-B1G and 2nd team All-American or Caleb Swanigan being 1st team All-
American and B1G POY don't constitute being a "high level college player."

I believe Swanigan moved here later in life with the help of Barnes....i guess you can say he was from here?  They were writing articles about Thomas when he was in middle school.  You are right he had success, but i don't think anyone would say he lived up to the hype. 

I honestly love having Ft Wayne bball kids do well, even if they don't go to IU, but they never live up to the hype coming out of high school.  That is why losing Furst was never upsetting to me.

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I type corrected. Never felt anywhere close to that long having driven down through that way probably close to one hundred times. I know a few of those folks that make the event worth it. That’s not to say we shouldn’t have similar events other places in the state.

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On 5/8/2024 at 11:26 PM, LamarCheeks said:

I wrote that according to those rankings, we were No. 14 and the top B1G team. ... UCLA being No. 25 doesn't change that. 

Oh I misread the chart. Assumed it went down not across 

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Why Theo Pinson didn't choose IU in 14

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/5-star-class-of-2014-recruit-shares-why-he-didnt-choose-tom-crean-and-indiana/

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1 hour ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Why Theo Pinson didn't choose IU in 14

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/5-star-class-of-2014-recruit-shares-why-he-didnt-choose-tom-crean-and-indiana/

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Good article. I remember well the back and forth on whether Crean’s summer programs and practices were too much, weighed along with how well he / his system developed guys.
This is where the idea that some throw out that it was just the players, like Vic, it was entirely the player not the development, comes up empty. A guy like Vic had an incredible work ethic, but so do many guys at this level, it’s how they got here. How that work ethic and athleticism is developed can be the difference in whether the same player ever reaches his potential. Troy for me is a big example. Wildly out of control early on, all athleticism, by the time he got himself into the NBA he had a fairly good outside shot, a much much better handle and a far better understanding of the floor. 
 

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14 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Good article. I remember well the back and forth on whether Crean’s summer programs and practices were too much, weighed along with how well he / his system developed guys.
This is where the idea that some throw out that it was just the players, like Vic, it was entirely the player not the development, comes up empty. A guy like Vic had an incredible work ethic, but so do many guys at this level, it’s how they got here. How that work ethic and athleticism is developed can be the difference in whether the same player ever reaches his potential. Troy for me is a big example. Wildly out of control early on, all athleticism, by the time he got himself into the NBA he had a fairly good outside shot, a much much better handle and a far better understanding of the floor. 
 

All true, but also worth noting that Vic’s body broke down at a pretty early age.

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Good article. I remember well the back and forth on whether Crean’s summer programs and practices were too much, weighed along with how well he / his system developed guys.
This is where the idea that some throw out that it was just the players, like Vic, it was entirely the player not the development, comes up empty. A guy like Vic had an incredible work ethic, but so do many guys at this level, it’s how they got here. How that work ethic and athleticism is developed can be the difference in whether the same player ever reaches his potential. Troy for me is a big example. Wildly out of control early on, all athleticism, by the time he got himself into the NBA he had a fairly good outside shot, a much much better handle and a far better understanding of the floor. 
 

There is a video on YouTube from pinsons podcast, he interviewed Juwan Morgan and they talk about it

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On 5/10/2024 at 1:56 AM, steubenhoosier said:

And it's not just NE Indiana that is ignored, it's the entire northern part of the state. RMK use to get lots of guys from around South Bend and "The Region". Abernathy, Laskowski, even Dakich. We have gotten one in the last 15 years or so-- the kid from South Bend that was supposed to be a great shooter, and turned out not to be so much. Basically, anything Marion and north is being ignored.

That’s three guys Knight got from up there, during our absolute heyday when IU was a huge draw, in 29 years.
Were there many more? I don’t think so but I’m too lazy to look it up.

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On 5/9/2024 at 12:56 PM, steubenhoosier said:

And it's not just NE Indiana that is ignored, it's the entire northern part of the state. RMK use to get lots of guys from around South Bend and "The Region". Abernathy, Laskowski, even Dakich. We have gotten one in the last 15 years or so-- the kid from South Bend that was supposed to be a great shooter, and turned out not to be so much. Basically, anything Marion and north is being ignored.

I'm from "The Region." Pretty much the only guys I recall Knight getting from there are Rich Valavicius (Hammond) and Dan Dakich (Merrillville) -- and Valavicius left after two years. I guess you could maybe consider Matt Nover (Chesterton) as being from  "The Region," but most of us who grew up there really didn't really consider Porter County part of it. 

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50 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

That’s three guys Knight got from up there, during our absolute heyday when IU was a huge draw, in 29 years.
Were there many more? I don’t think so but I’m too lazy to look it up.

If we’re talking about the whole northern part of the state rather than just Northwest, Delray Brooks was from up there. John Flowers was from Fort Wayne. Other than the ones mentioned in the above posts I can’t think of any others off the top of my head. I have faith in someone around here digging into that a little bit. But even in RMK’s heyday Anderson always seemed like kind of the northern border of IU instate success. 
 

Edit- out of nowhere Tracy Foster popped into my head. He was from Fort Wayne or somewhere up there, I believe,