Kokomo Monster (2024) - C Flory Bidunga to Kansas

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,969]

59 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Doesn’t seem over to me:

 

 

Woody trying to put up a fight.  Gotta love him for that. 

[Alford Bailey 12,354]

Always a chance when you get him on campus for an official 

[AKHoosier 6,747]

On 6/18/2023 at 11:41 AM, Alford Bailey said:

Always a chance when you get him on campus for an official 

Hasn't he been here for a few unofficial visits already?

Maybe there isn't much more of the campus life he needs to see at IU. He's a good student, but he won't be going anywhere for the academics, so it's not like he needs the time an OV provides to meet with academic advisors and the like.

[Demo 19,660]

Official

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,012]

Well, at least it doesn't say he committed on the spot.

[JSHoosier 19,844]

Get used to it. To win at the level we should expect we'll be competing against the likes of Duke for recruits, have to win the battles.

[Stuhoo 79,762]

The number 3 player in the class received an offer from Duke? Not sure why that's a revelation.

Sure, he may pop for Duke and it could happen soon. But let's get that official visit to IU done before he does. If he doesn't take an IU official before he announces then it's clearly a done deal, but with all the time he's spent at IU games, if he takes an IU official I think we have a puncher's chance.

[OGIUAndy 760]

5 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

The number 3 player in the class received an offer from Duke? Not sure why that's a revelation.

Sure, he may pop for Duke and it could happen soon. But let's get that official visit to IU done before he does. If he doesn't take an IU official before he announces then it's clearly a done deal, but with all the time he's spent at IU games, if he takes an IU official I think we have a puncher's chance.

I'd say if he takes an official, we have more than a puncher's chance. 

[JSHoosier 19,844]

Having to beat Duke for a recruit is a better spot than having to hope Jeremiah April isn't a dud.

[go iu bb 5,540]

13 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

The number 3 player in the class received an offer from Duke? Not sure why that's a revelation.

Sure, he may pop for Duke and it could happen soon. But let's get that official visit to IU done before he does. If he doesn't take an IU official before he announces then it's clearly a done deal, but with all the time he's spent at IU games, if he takes an IU official I think we have a puncher's chance.

Did he take a junior year OV to IU or just a bunch of UV for games? I know he's been on campus multiple times. 

I'm glad the coaching staff isn't like some of the fans and just give up as soon as Fine shows interest. :)

[HoosierFan1994 4,720]

If I'm someone in Flory's "camp" I show them what Trayce was before Woodson vs. after Woodson as well as Lively's "development" at Duke. #1 recruit, 5 points a game, and the #12 overall pick. If you are a high school #1 overall player, you should be going top 5. Either that or Lively was overhyped which is possible. Sorry, I hate Duke and I'm not on the Scheyer bandwagon like the national media folks. They greatly underachieved this year with the talent they had. 

[Stuhoo 79,762]

9 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

If I'm someone in Flory's "camp" I show them what Trayce was before Woodson vs. after Woodson as well as Lively's "development" at Duke. #1 recruit, 5 points a game, and the #12 overall pick. If you are a high school #1 overall player, you should be going top 5. Either that or Lively was overhyped which is possible. Sorry, I hate Duke and I'm not on the Scheyer bandwagon like the national media folks. They greatly underachieved this year with the talent they had. 

 

Oof.

If I'm Duke I show them that Lively was the #12 overall pick after one year, and Trayce was the #57 pick after four years.

 

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,969]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Oof.

If I'm Duke I show them that Lively was the #12 overall pick after one year, and Trayce was the #57 pick after four years.

 

unfortunately that's what I thought too.  But #1 recruits in the nation carry intrigue if you don't overplay your welcome.  TJD got pigeon-holed early by the scouts and was never fully able to break out of that.  If he was a #1 recruit out of HS he'd have been gone early too.  

NBA is so messed up right now though.  I'm hoping teams like Denver, Golden State and Miami prove that what many have been doing with prognosticating player's growth while ignoring production changes.  It's no wonder certain programs win and others lose routinely

[Stuhoo 79,762]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

unfortunately that's what I thought too.  But #1 recruits in the nation carry intrigue if you don't overplay your welcome.  TJD got pigeon-holed early by the scouts and was never fully able to break out of that.  If he was a #1 recruit out of HS he'd have been gone early too.  

NBA is so messed up right now though.  I'm hoping teams like Denver, Golden State and Miami prove that what many have been doing with prognosticating player's growth while ignoring production changes.  It's no wonder certain programs win and others lose routinely

So true. I assumed that Jaime Jaquez was not a high-value draft pick, but now that he was taken by Miami?

I automatically assume that Riley and Spoelstra see something that others don't and the guy will very likely succeed.

[Gnet550 920]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Oof.

If I'm Duke I show them that Lively was the #12 overall pick after one year, and Trayce was the #57 pick after four years.

 

I think two things to consider here…hype and height. 
 

Lively was rated number 1 in his class for whatever reason. He is getting drafted on what could be…I mean he avg 5 pts and 5 rebs on a Duke team that wasn’t as good as some of their previous teams…..

 

The other factor is Lively is 7’1”….if TJD WAS 7’1” instead of 6’9” he would have went earlier. Part of TJDs issue (NBAs eyes) is he would be an all-world center but he is in a PF body…

 

I love where TJD ended up too….he could shock the world there! I would also show them Adam Sonogo, Azoulis Tubelis, Drew Timme, and Oscar Tshiebwe didn’t get drafted from better teams from this year….

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,969]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So true. I assumed that Jaime Jaquez was not a high-value draft pick, but now that he was taken by Miami?

I automatically assume that Riley and Spoelstra see something that others don't and the guy will very likely succeed.

I think for the most part, the guys that excel in college not based on system but skills, will find a way to excel in the NBA too if given equal opportunity and a proper system. So many of the high risk, high reward draft picks are just busts.

[HoosierFan1994 4,720]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Oof.

If I'm Duke I show them that Lively was the #12 overall pick after one year, and Trayce was the #57 pick after four years.

 

Very well could but Trayce was nowhere near the #1 player in is class Lively supposedly was. Again, I'm a homer and can't stand Duke one bit so I'm going to be biased a little. Lively may have a solid career simply because as it has been pointed out, he's a rim protector. 

Sounds like it's being suggested Trayce fell a bit because he did not want to be on a two way contract. No way there are 56 better players in the draft than Trayce. 

[HoosierFan1994 4,720]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

unfortunately that's what I thought too.  But #1 recruits in the nation carry intrigue if you don't overplay your welcome.  TJD got pigeon-holed early by the scouts and was never fully able to break out of that.  If he was a #1 recruit out of HS he'd have been gone early too.  

NBA is so messed up right now though.  I'm hoping teams like Denver, Golden State and Miami prove that what many have been doing with prognosticating player's growth while ignoring production changes.  It's no wonder certain programs win and others lose routinely

Bingo. Why I'm not the biggest fan of the league. Thing people forget, including me, is that these are 17, 18, 19 year olds. They are still developing. Of ESPN's top 8 '22 recruits, only one (Lively) was a lottery pick. Mitchell and Ware had disappointing freshman seasons. Nick Smith was supposedly a top 5 pick coming into the year. It's possible injuries played a role and situations around the school these players chose. However, I feel once some of these kids get to college they just take off. Like a Taylor Hendricks or Jalen... Even 2nd year guys like Bufkin and Hawkins developed. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,012]

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[WayneFleekHoosier 47,969]

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