IUBB @ O$U - 2/21/22 @ 7:00 on FS1-TV

[Stuhoo 88,536]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

 

This was just posted to Lander's Tik ToK. Hope the young man is OK

Really? That’s a pretty public and scary proclamation.

If true—it’s a good way to get him the attention to get immediate help. Immediately.

 

[Chris007 61,684]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Really? That’s a pretty public and scary proclamation.

If true—it’s a good way to get him the attention to get immediate help. Immediately.

 

It's been reported to the University

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

52 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

How many teams have a player like Davis on Wiscy? If we're required to have a player like that to finish games we might as well higher some dude out of the stands, pay them a couple hundred thousand a year, and spend the rest on paying players. Teams are getting it done in the final minutes without a player like Davis. It just seems to escape us.

I only use Davis as an example because he pretty much single handily beat us down the stretch but probably too extreme of an example.  We need a wing player when things break down he can get a decent shot off and he can takeover at times.  OSU seems to have a couple in Liddell and now Branham.  Purdue has Ivey, Wisky has Davis, Iowa has Murray, Rutgers has Harper, etc.  I can point to about 75% of the teams ranked in the top 25 and I would bet each one has a guy on the wing who can create his own shot when the shot clock is winding down or at the end of the game when they need a bucket. I can remember a lot of the old teams at IU and they seem to have that guy or guys.  Who on this team is it?  Nobody!  And that is not a crutch but a necessity with all good teams!

[IUc2016 7,121]

Just now, IUFAN1976 said:

I only use Davis as an example because he pretty much single handily beat us down the stretch but probably too extreme of an example.  We need a wing player when things break down he can get a decent shot off and he can takeover at times.  OSU seems to have a couple in Liddell and now Branham.  Purdue has Ivey, Wisky has Davis, Iowa has Murray, Rutgers has Harper, etc.  I can point to about 75% of the teams ranked in the top 25 and I would bet each one has a guy on the wing who can create his own shot when the shot clock is winding down or at the end of the game when they need a bucket. I can remember a lot of the old teams at IU and they seem to have that guy or guys.  Who on this team is it?  Nobody!  And that is not a crutch but a necessity with all good teams!

Haven't had that guy in a long long time. Other than pg play, single greatest deficiency.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Perhaps.  He is new to coaching CBB and I am sure he be the first to tell you that he still has a lot to learn about the College game and I expect he, his staff and Thad Matta will all sit down after the season and discuss those very issues.

The team had a chance to beat two very good ranked teams but no matter what the plan was down the stretch that the coaches laid out, the players failed to execute.

Will he? Maybe he'll seek outside council to help him. If we're waiting for the end of the season for him to learn from his mistakes I completely understand why we're not expecting improvement from the players.

Did you pay attention to the play drawn up by Woody? He's putting players in position to expose their weaknesses, our players not theirs. I would expect anyone with any basketball sense to draw up something better than that. There's a little motivation behind that, I believe. It worked against purdoodoo when we got the extra possession but has failed miserably in other situations.

[IU - Kaulie 2,090]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The Trayce slander has to stop. Were you saying this after he gave Wisconsin a 30 piece and shot 77% from the field? I don’t remember it. Or do you only say this after he has a bad game? And focusing on his offensive numbers ignores his very good defense. 

Teams don’t usually lose talent, not replace it, but get better. It’s especially rare when the talent is a good kid and not a locker room cancer. Do we beat OSU at home without his 27/12 and 5 blocks? We beat Nebraska by 7. Do we win without his 23/12? We beat notre dame by 8. Do we win without his 17/12? 

The idea that he just “puts up empty numbers” is not true in the slightest. He has the best offensive rating on the team at 120.6. Race is the next closest at 116.7, and Stewart is third at 108.9. Thus, the team’s offense is far better with Trayce on the court than without him on the court. 

Trayce is one of the most under appreciated Hoosiers in a long time. 

I appreciate Hoosiers who work on their games not just the ones that do a lot of talking but the ones that actually back it up.  

I appreciate Hoosiers that give 100% each time they take the court.

I appreciate Hoosiers that aren’t smiling after they miss free throw after free throw and act like they would rather be somewhere else.

I could go on and on.  TJD is not one of the most under appreciated Hoosiers in a long time.  He has a lot of fans.  I’m in the minority here I know that I’m not a big fan of his as a player.  But I have said in the past I hope he has a successful career in basketball wherever that may be and is successful in life.  I just hope he is not back next year and believe we will have a better record next year without TJD.

[IUc2016 7,121]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The Trayce slander has to stop. Were you saying this after he gave Wisconsin a 30 piece and shot 77% from the field? I don’t remember it. Or do you only say this after he has a bad game? And focusing on his offensive numbers ignores his very good defense. 

Teams don’t usually lose talent, not replace it, but get better. It’s especially rare when the talent is a good kid and not a locker room cancer. Do we beat OSU at home without his 27/12 and 5 blocks? We beat Nebraska by 7. Do we win without his 23/12? We beat notre dame by 8. Do we win without his 17/12? 

The idea that he just “puts up empty numbers” is not true in the slightest. He has the best offensive rating on the team at 120.6. Race is the next closest at 116.7, and Stewart is third at 108.9. Thus, the team’s offense is far better with Trayce on the court than without him on the court. 

Trayce is one of the most under appreciated Hoosiers in a long time. 

Mostly agree with you. My issue is not with TJD, but with how he has been used at IU. He should be getting lobs, put backs, dump offs and told to go all out on defense. 

Yet because of boneheads who put this roster together he is expected to carry this program. Not his fault, but because of that expectation he gets a lot of criticism. 

So, while Idk that he is one of the most under appreciated Hoosiers, he is one of the most misused Hoosiers and it has hurt him as well as this program.

[MikeRoberts 7,941]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

 

This was just posted to Lander's Tik ToK. Hope the young man is OK

Yikes, I hope that is just words and not a reality for him or anyone really.

staff or teammate should check into this - can’t ignore cry’s for help

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1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Yeah I don't understand why play well in the first half if you're not going to get any minutes in the 2nd half. Leal & Geronimo both didn't get much or any minutes in the 2nd half. 

I thought Kopp finally started playing well and then sit for the final 8-9 minutes. Parker Stewart couldn't guard you.

Stewart isn't good on defense, which is why we need him to be more aggressive on offense. At least try a little too offset it. 

[Stuhoo 88,536]

10 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Yikes, I hope that is just words and not a reality for him or anyone really.

staff or teammate should check into this - can’t ignore cry’s for help

 

A very bright basketball coach once said, "Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one."

The spotlight and pressure of D1 college basketball is a pressure cooker that starts simmering when a player is a star in high school. Players with the mental toughness of a Ferrell, Buckner, Morgan, Woodson, Cheaney, etc. do not grow on trees. And note that none of those payers were transcendental talents. Talented enough? Sure. Mentally tough beyond belief.

Needing help to deal with a life of pressure mixed with adulation is often to be expected.

[IU - Kaulie 2,090]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I don't think we need a Davis but we do need an upgrade of guards. Guards make the world go round in CBB

Absolutely.  I think CMW has pretty much said as much especially at the point.  He is going after them too.  I really like everything I have read about the two coming in the next two years and we are in on the Little kid.  We obviously have to find some kind of off guard that can shoot the ball and get buckets.  I’m not sure we have that coming in and the portal is a game of roulette.  I hope that the kid is already on the roster right now and will develop but I don’t know.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

 

Obvious not ideal but not nearly as bad as I thought. Roughly -3 points a game. Messing up at every turn definitely doesn't help the confidence.

[IU - Kaulie 2,090]

50 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

blow this roster up. Keep a few of the freshman and sophomores and thank everyone else for their time. 

Yes please but leave the door wide open for Rob and Race if they want to continue.

[Hoosierfan2017 24,619]

31 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

What bothers me is the lack of progress of a go-to move. I don't care at this point if he can hit a 12 ft jumper or drains 3's in warmups. But find one post-up move and perfect it. 

He definitely hasn’t developed quite like I would have liked, but I do think there has been some development. These are some numbers from last season to this season.

PER: 26.8 -> 29.8 

TS%: 55.8% -> 59.8%

WS/48: .187 -> .250

BPM: 8.4 -> 11.6 

ORtg: 111.5 -> 120.6

DRtg: 99.2 -> 90.5 

However much people put into advanced numbers is up to them, but they paint a picture of a very good player. He hasn’t been perfect and he’s had some games where he has struggled, but I just have a hard time blaming him for much this season. He and Race have been doing what they can this season, the perimeter players haven’t given them much help. We shoot 41.7% from the field in conference play, 13th in the conference. Take out Race and Trayce and we’re shooting 35.9% from the field. Teams know that our other guys can’t knock down shots. Trayce needs a better offensive toolbox but whenever he catches the ball in the post teams are dropping 2-3 guys down on him.

[reconmkd 4,741]

How bad is it when a coach states that the players are struggling to grasp the pick and roll offense? I’d say pretty bad, and don’t quite understand how it is that hard to understand! I’m pretty sure the teams I was on in school all the way back to like middle school practiced some type of pick and roll. 

[HoosierHoopster 8,120]

10 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Absolutely.  I think CMW has pretty much said as much especially at the point.  He is going after them too.  I really like everything I have read about the two coming in the next two years and we are in on the Little kid.  We obviously have to find some kind of off guard that can shoot the ball and get buckets.  I’m not sure we have that coming in and the portal is a game of roulette.  I hope that the kid is already on the roster right now and will develop but I don’t know.

I would bank on Bates, kid's had an up and down year and kind of hit the frosh wall, but he's good and will develop well imo

[monskisprodigy 2,284]

39 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It's been reported to the University

Unfortunately, reports to the 'University' can get lost in the stack. I truly hope the coaching staff is aware, and they are getting this young man the help he needs.

As someone who has come along side a partner battling life long depression, those words and thoughts on paper scream a cry for help, with immediate reach out and action warranted.  Basketball is just a game, and this is a great reminder to all, including myself, of the pressure cooker these young men are in.

[IU_FanClub 1,857]

Dont even know what to say at this point lol. I’ve tried to stay positive all year but watching this season play out has been pure torture. Can’t wait for thursday lol

[johnsoniu 7,048]

10 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

How bad is it when a coach states that the players are struggling to grasp the pick and roll offense? I’d say pretty bad, and don’t quite understand how it is that hard to understand! I’m pretty sure the teams I was on in school all the way back to like middle school practiced some type of pick and roll. 

My thoughts exactly. If this team is having trouble grasping the pick and roll, they're more stupid than I thought.

[HoosierHoopster 8,120]

9 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Obvious not ideal but not nearly as bad as I thought. Roughly -3 points a game. Messing up at every turn definitely doesn't help the confidence.

This is worse - from ITH: "Indiana has now lost five straight. It’s a sixth straight game under a point per possession for the offense, a feat that happened just once in the Archie Miller era."

The failure of this staff to push the outside game is extremely frustrating. We hit some threes in this game, interestingly both IU and OSU hit 6-19 3's (31%), but we ended up 34% FG's to OSU's 48%. 

Our D has developed well, our O has not. The idea that the players are just 'behind' on O is an empty one. The staff / Woodson continues with Kopp when he's not shooting or contributing much offensively, that's on the staff. Why did G only play 4 minutes in this game?