IUBB @ O$U - 2/21/22 @ 7:00 on FS1-TV

[Chris007 61,817]

1 hour ago, Hovadipo said:

Scott vs. Chris in a cage match for charity.
 

-If Chris wins, proceeds go to the dorks’ Venmo NIL slush fund and a small portion helps bankroll his gameday home watering hole.

-If Scott wins, all proceeds go to buying out and hiring Brad Stevens so he can stop being so mad at Chris. 

-If they knock each other out, we earmark all funds to getting rid of every drop ceiling on the IU Athletics campus. 

Can the rounds only be like a minute long and maybe only go three rounds. I get tired fast.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

8 hours ago, reconmkd said:

I have been on TJDs case for awhile now, with the inconsistent play, not being focused, forcing post moves on 2-3 defenders, and such. Yes, I have been fed up with him at times, do I want him to leave, no, but would I like the offense to evolve around him, absolutely. Yes, he is our best player, but you cannot focus the offense on his ability in the post, it is too easy to defend. If he were to be able to shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket, it would be a different story, because you would have to defend him differently. I went to 5 games this year, and I know that warmups are different than in game situations, but I have seen him hit jump shots. The ability to shoot is there, just don't understand why he won't do it in a game unless he is forced too, other than confidence. 

My post about what was said on the Assembly Call was not intended to say we are better as a team w/o TJD, it was that the offense finally started moving the ball, players were moving and cutting w/o the ball, and we went on a run when TJD was on the bench. The moment TJD came back in the offense reverted back to force feed the post, movement stopped for the most part outside of the cross court outlet that Tamar nailed a 3. We have to be more than a one trick pony. 

I am perplexed as to why the offense cannot seem to flow like when it did with him on the bench during that run. Why does TJD have to hold the ball for like 3 seconds after catching the ball before he makes any move? It does not work consistently enough in B1G competition for us to win on a consistent basis. If he catches the ball in the post early in the shot clock, and he doesn't have the advantage, the ball needs to come back out immediately and move or someone needs to be cutting to make the defenders move away from him or to make a play. The other B1G teams know that when the ball goes in, the ball will generally not come back out and he is going to try to go left or the ball will come back out on the same side of the court which is easy to recover on defensively.

We have had glimpses of decent ball movement when he is on the floor sporadically throughout the season and it has created many open shot opportunities, some have fallen and many have not. The PU and OSU games are examples that there is offensive opportunities outside of force feeding the post or X jacking up shots like most games. 

This team is definitely flawed, its a puzzle that all the pieces just don't seem to fit together just right on the court. There are missing fundamentals, there are players that are taking too many shots that don't need to be taking them, we have "shooters" that don't put up enough shots due to them standing in the corners for entire possessions, there are players that seem to think "e" is optional and those that just bring the "e" with no other option, and there are players that are just flat out limited. This team has become so predictable and hard to watch at times, especially when it feels like a 4-6 point deficit feels like a 20 point deficit, because the offense just can't seem to get it done. But on the occasions, when the offense moves the ball around and our guards and wings are not stationary, I think the team plays better basketball and that's when we beat teams like PU. They end up creating more opportunities than we ever get from just forcing moves in the post and it should lead to even better opportunities for TJD to score. Of course a lot of this depends on if shots go down, which is a completely different topic for discussion. 

You are spot on with your assessment!  I like TJD but with him not willing to take outside shots when he’s open or not being able to go right consistently and holding the ball in post for many seconds because he’s trying to read the defense or make a decision causes our offense to be stagnant, predictable and easy to guard.

I listened to Podcast on The Brink and they said that when he watched the game at the Bahamas, they had a lot of ball movement and motion and that offense was what he thought we would have during the season and that hasn’t happened.  Also, he stated exactly what you stated about that the offense moves better when TJD is on the bench and he used the OSU game in the 2nd half when we erased the deficit to take the lead and the PU game.

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On 2/22/2022 at 3:04 PM, ALASKA HOOSIER said:

i hate that the players are looking for a foul on shots instead of focusing on making the basket. X does this alot.

Yes!  This has been a problem since Crean was here.  Always more focused on a bailout than actually making a basket.  Can we please bring me in someone to teach how to finish through contact?  Believe it or not, you can make the shot and be fouled at the same time.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

3 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Can the rounds only be like a minute long and maybe only go three rounds. I get tired fast.

With the weather getting warmer you'll have a chance to get those walks in. That should get you up to at least a minute fifteen or so.

[Old Friend 8,663]

On 2/22/2022 at 6:51 AM, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Lol. No surprise. People like you just saying "Southern Indiana is racist." What a joke. 

You still have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?   Well done making a blanket argument just so you could refute it.  That's cool.   It's as predictable as the sunrise for you.

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5 hours ago, Old Friend said:

You still have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?   Well done making a blanket argument just so you could refute it.  That's cool.   It's as predictable as the sunrise for you.

"We" was the southern IN IU fans, not alumni (generally speaking); as far as I know and I think it's probably "generally" accurate. Embarrassing is being kind, however.

 

You very literally implied it. You shouldn't assume things like that. 

[yogisballin 2,431]

I won't disagree with you, but it wasn't Woody who forced the ball in to TJD which ended up a turn over.  That basically turned the game.  And I love the kid that did it -- just one of those plays I wish we had back.  
Now was that the right offense for that time?  We can debate that one all night.  :) 

Wasn’t the only play and opportunity we had to extend that lead. We have a few chances


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7 hours ago, Old Friend said:

You still have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?   Well done making a blanket argument just so you could refute it.  That's cool.   It's as predictable as the sunrise for you.

 

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

"We" was the southern IN IU fans, not alumni (generally speaking); as far as I know and I think it's probably "generally" accurate. Embarrassing is being kind, however.

 

You very literally implied it. You shouldn't assume things like that. 

 

Gents,

I know that this back and forth started on topic, but it's a basketball message board thread so let's move on.

Thanks

 

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

1 hour ago, yogisballin said:

Wasn’t the only play and opportunity we had to extend that lead. We have a few chances


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We had 3 in a row to be exact!

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13 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I don’t post on HSN but I’ve lurked now and then. I’ve seen posters on there running around talking about their sauces and all the inside information they have. It’s usually pretty obvious to tell when someone is doing it to get attention/likes vs. when someone is actually legit. There have been a few ‘insiders’ on here over the years who I personally thought were full of it, but not Chris. He gets way too many things correct to just be making stories up.

That plus when someone truly doesn't have information and just makes things up, they don't stick around long.  Chris has been here for a loooonnnnggg time.

[southernindianahoosier2 1,056]

On 2/22/2022 at 11:36 PM, HoosierTrav said:

This news about Woody and the staff is somewhat of a bombshell for me. I’ve been mostly a supporter of CMW bc I thought he was a better leader than his predecessor. Now I see it isn’t the case and it makes me finally want to give up rooting for this program.   The organizational dysfunction is truly unbelievable. Structural, cultural, and leadership patterns are completely broken and needing fundamental change. If we can’t count on anything with this program, it’s that we can count on it not getting fixed. 

Late to respond... Is there still a B-Town Banners phone App? 

 

Can you or anyone else dive deeper into the organizational dysfunction?

Any specifics on structural, cultural, leadership?

What needs to be changed?

Is there someone in position that can fix it? 

Is the organization aware that it's dysfunctional? 

Who do we blame for letting it get this bad? (please be Glass lol).