IUBB vs Illinois- 2/5/2022 @ 12:00 on ESPN

[HoosierHoopster 6,973]

From a player development perspective including making the NBA, TJD should be taking shots here and there, showing some range.

From a team - close season well and get into the tourney, I don’t think he should, rather, he should be kicking it back out and rolling to the rim. He isn’t going to overpower a guy like manbeast yesterday, he needs to find shooters in games like that and help open up the lane

[Uspshoosier 45,679]

7 minutes ago, 94Bulldog said:

That’s fair, I thought Race guarded EJ and vice versa but I’ve been wrong often before. 

Probably started out that way but like with any game no one player is probably guarding the same guy the whole time during the game.  Ohio st played zone some in that game.   Fair or unfair when 2 top players play against each other even if they don’t guard each other it will be part of the production.  Battle of top bigs in conference 

[IUFAN1976 3,115]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m not sure I am in favor of him shooting. I would rather have him work on that the entire off season. If he could shoot he would

I thought he did that this past summer.  If he didn’t do that, then what the heck did he work on. It’s obvious whatever he worked on didn’t help him against Dickburn!  It looked like he faired worse against him.

[Rico 3,037]

3 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

From a player development perspective including making the NBA, TJD should be taking shots here and there, showing some range.

From a team - close season well and get into the tourney, I don’t think he should, rather, he should be kicking it back out and rolling to the rim. He isn’t going to overpower a guy like manbeast yesterday, he needs to find shooters in games like that and help open up the lane

I would add that imo TJD has a very hard time recognizing when to kick the ball back out.

[Uspshoosier 45,679]

5 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m not sure I am in favor of him shooting. I would rather have him work on that the entire off season. If he could shoot he would

You will be waiting a while for him to work on his shooting.   He has been saying since his sophomore year in high school he is going to work on his shot in the off season.   Didn’t shoot  in high school and hasn’t shot in college.   At some point a player is who he is despite people wanting to see more 

[MikeRoberts 7,004]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

You will be waiting a while for him to work on his shooting.   He has been saying since his sophomore year in high school he is going to work on his shot in the off season.   Didn’t shoot  in high school and hasn’t shot in college.   At some point a player is who he is despite people wanting to see more 

Oh I’m not expecting him to develop a shot, it should have come by now. That one thing is going to be the difference between playing 2 seasons in the NBA and having a 12 year career. 
I think he makes an NBA roster, sits for a season or two and then goes to Europe for 10 years. It’s a shame, he’s known his weakness his whole career and never developed it

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

From a player development perspective including making the NBA, TJD should be taking shots here and there, showing some range.

From a team - close season well and get into the tourney, I don’t think he should, rather, he should be kicking it back out and rolling to the rim. He isn’t going to overpower a guy like manbeast yesterday, he needs to find shooters in games like that and help open up the lane

We probably should have attacked the other block with Race more than playing through Trayce on the block. That would include off-ball screens, cutting hard, and all that other jazz we don't seem to do or want to do all that often. Trayce could have played weak side waiting for Cockburn to double on Race. The times we did go to Race on the block he seemed to rush his move or stay further out.

A lot of what happened in yesterday's game was as much mental as it was physical.

[Indiana muskie 205]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

You will be waiting a while for him to work on his shooting.   He has been saying since his sophomore year in high school he is going to work on his shot in the off season.   Didn’t shoot  in high school and hasn’t shot in college.   At some point a player is who he is despite people wanting to see more 

Exactly play to your strength. If the only tool in the box is a hammer. Swing the hammer like no other. Tjd has always had a problem with green beans

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[Alford Bailey 12,384]

Frazier won the game for Illinois yesterday.  The difference between us beating Purdue and losing to Illinois was our guard play. TJD wasn’t a factor in either game. Gotta have good guard play.

[Stuhoo 80,779]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

We probably should have attacked the other block with Race more than playing through Trayce on the block. That would include off-ball screens, cutting hard, and all that other jazz we don't seem to do or want to do all that often. Trayce could have played weak side waiting for Cockburn to double on Race. The times we did go to Race on the block he seemed to rush his move or stay further out.

A lot of what happened in yesterday's game was as much mental as it was physical.

I thought we got the ball to Race on the other block a lot yesterday. It created really good shots, but in the second half none of them went down. Race  said as much in his post game interview— said he was frustrated with how many “chippies“ he missed down low.

[Uspshoosier 45,679]

Just now, Alford Bailey said:

Frazier won the game for Illinois yesterday.  The difference between us beating Purdue and losing to Illinois was our guard play. TJD wasn’t a factor in either game.

5th year senior that’s been through it all at Illinois.  Started freshman and sophomore year where they were historically bad.   Was asked to become a role player when they got better players.   Decided to come back for an extra year and has made himself into a nice player.    Kid plays hard every game.   Illinois lucky he decided to come back for the extra year because he wasn’t at the coming back at the end of last year 

[Indiana muskie 205]

8 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Oh I’m not expecting him to develop a shot, it should have come by now. That one thing is going to be the difference between playing 2 seasons in the NBA and having a 12 year career. 
I think he makes an NBA roster, sits for a season or two and then goes to Europe for 10 years. It’s a shame, he’s known his weakness his whole career and never developed it

That's playing 12 yrs of pro ball . That's pretty damn good . No matter what continent he is playing on 

[MikeRoberts 7,004]

4 minutes ago, Indiana muskie said:

That's playing 12 yrs of pro ball . That's pretty damn good . No matter what continent he is playing on 

Absolutely, but he could have done that after high school. Europe, China etc will always be there for a 6’9” with his skills. The NBA will not, he needs a shot to have that type of career

difference between making $500k a year and $5mill a year

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

15 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Frazier won the game for Illinois yesterday.  The difference between us beating Purdue and losing to Illinois was our guard play. TJD wasn’t a factor in either game. Gotta have good guard play.

I thought X had a really solid all around game. He frustrated Frazier a bit in the first half. P Stew started well then completed disappeared. Kopp, while not a guard, contributed next to nothing.

I believe when Lander came into the game with IU leading 16-11 gave up the next 6 points, at least. Ouch

[MikeRoberts 7,004]

23 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I thought X had a really solid all around game. He frustrated Frazier a bit in the first half. P Stew started well then completed disappeared. Kopp, while not a guard, contributed next to nothing.

I believe when Lander came into the game with IU leading 16-11 gave up the next 6 points, at least. Ouch

Lander is usually a net negative and he was again yesterday.

 

There are some things we should have learned by now:

- Lander is not a reliable sub, still out of position and out of control 

- phinisee, when healthy still cannot shoot but that doesn’t stop him from trying to be a volume shooter

- TJD is a monster against smaller, less athletic teams 

- TJD is pushed around and timid against bigger, more athletic players

- Durr cannot guard smaller, more athletic players

- Durr does a pretty good job defending other plodding 7 footers

- TJD will not shoot it outside of 8 feet

- TJD doesn’t recognize when it’s 1 v 3 and he should kick it back out (his teammates stand around)

- Kopp and Stewart stand around on offense

- Kopp and Stewart are not great defenders

- Kopp and Stewart have been no shows in way too many games and are not getting the ball in dangerous places to get off volume 3s

- X is good driving to the basket and finishing with his right. X is not good driving to the basket and finishing with his left.

- X is good when taking care of the ball and looking to distribute 

- galloways shot outside of 15 feet is still broke, can hit the floater in the lane

- Galloway is a pest on defense and shows leadership qualities on the court

- Race is a tough defender and rebounder

- race still cannot shoot the 3 yet has no problem trying with very little success

- Geronimo is so inconsistent but shows flashes of what he could be. he defends and rebounds well

- gets lost sometimes and finds himself trying to dribble and shoot outside shots when he is a man around the hoop

- there is no leadership on this team. There is no on-court coaching and accountability. Galloway tries but he is a sophomore that isn’t always on the court

 

[pumpfake 3,940]

10 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Lander is usually a net negative and he was again yesterday.

 

There are some things we should have learned by now:

- Lander is not a reliable sub, still out of position and out of control 

- phinisee, when healthy still cannot shoot but that doesn’t stop him from trying to be a volume shooter

- TJD is a monster against smaller, less athletic teams 

- TJD is pushed around and timid against bigger, more athletic players

- Durr cannot guard smaller, more athletic players

- Durr does a pretty good job defending other plodding 7 footers

- TJD will not shoot it outside of 8 feet

- TJD doesn’t recognize when it’s 1 v 3 and he should kick it back out (his teammates stand around)

- Kopp and Stewart stand around on offense

- Kopp and Stewart are not great defenders

- Kopp and Stewart have been no shows in way too many games and are not getting the ball in dangerous places to get off volume 3s

- X is good driving to the basket and finishing with his right. X is not good driving to the basket and finishing with his left.

- X is good when taking care of the ball and looking to distribute 

- galloways shot outside of 15 feet is still broke, can hit the floater in the lane

- Galloway is a pest on defense and shows leadership qualities on the court

- Race is a tough defender and rebounder

- race still cannot shoot the 3 yet has no problem trying with very little success

- Geronimo is so inconsistent but shows flashes of what he could be. he defends and rebounds well

- gets lost sometimes and finds himself trying to dribble and shoot outside shots when he is a man around the hoop

- there is no leadership on this team. There is no on-court coaching and accountability. Galloway tries but he is a sophomore that isn’t always on the court

 

I can't really dispute any of those points.  As far as 3-pt shooting goes, we just don't shoot it well or have any consistency.  RP & RT have had a game or two with a hot hand but those games have been largely "outliers".

[MikeRoberts 7,004]

2 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

I can't really dispute any of those points.  As far as 3-pt shooting goes, we just don't shoot it well or have any consistency.  RP & RT have had a game or two with a hot hand but those games have been largely "outliers".

100%. Those two are not gun-shy, but they should be, yet we have two sharp shooters that have no urgency to work to get shots up

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

16 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

- there is no leadership on this team. There is no on-court coaching and accountability. Galloway tries but he is a sophomore that isn’t always on the court

 

This has been a problem for far too long with the program. I was hoping others would start to follow X as he has played with consistent e and e, although some of it is misguided at times. We do love to get hyped after a single play or too then go into our shell when things get tough. I wish this could change yesterday but don't really see it. Will other players get out of the way so Gallo can lead starting next season? IF (!) he can develop a reliable shot in the off-season he'll be difficult to keep off the floor. I don't have much faith for the older players to finally put the "too cool for playing hard" mentality in the past. I do expect we'll hear talk about it being in the past though.

[DChoosier 8,440]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

100%. Those two are not gun-shy, but they should be, yet we have two sharp shooters that have no urgency to work to get shots up

For the most part Kopp and Stewart just stand around on the wing. Without movement, or running plays to get them open,  Kopp and Stewart don’t often get the ball in a threatening position and are kept in check by defenders that are forced to go out further than the lane but don’t need to continuously defend them particularly tight. Nothing against either guy but I don’t like them starting together.

[MikeRoberts 7,004]

19 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

For the most part Kopp and Stewart just stand around on the wing. Without movement, or running plays to get them open,  Kopp and Stewart don’t often get the ball in a threatening position and are kept in check by defenders that are forced to go out further than the lane but don’t need to continuously defend them particularly tight. Nothing against either guy but I don’t like them starting together.

Preach!