Indiana at Wisconsin Game Thread

[HoosierTrav 7,898]

Just now, str8baller said:

Then call a time out and get your guys together. One bad call is meaningless.   
 

I like woody but he has to get out of his nba mentality. Each game matters. Runs matter. You can’t wait until the 4th quarter every time.   
 

That was a disgusting half. 

I’m trying my best not to be hyperbolic here but that was the worst half of coaching, I’ve seen, out of an Indiana head coach, that I can remember. Of course my memory is **** but I’m trying to remember a worse half and I can’t do it. I’m sure Archie had some bad games/half’s. Woody pissed down his leg on this one. 

[reconmkd 4,427]

7 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Lander's defense is bad.  And I've really started to doubt that he actually knows the offense.

And that's not an endorsement of Phin, because I don't think he's very good.  But Lander seems to like a backup quarterback:  most popular guy with the fans until he actually gets to play,  The coaching staff isn't naive.  They know that Lander will probably leave if he isn't playing.  The fact that they know this and keep him on the bench (and this is the second staff now to do so) says to me that don't care if he leaves.

But why not roll the dice, let him play through mistakes and actually learn? Cause what we had tonight definitely wasn’t working in the second half! A game like tonight, let’s say Woody puts Lander in and he makes some plays, gets valuable big game experience, and we come out with the W! That could turn him around as well, sorry I know Lander has issues, but I really hate seeing Rob pound the air out of the ball. 

[Uspshoosier 46,174]

10 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Serious question. Does anybody on here root for another team that can answer this. I knew undoubtedly that iu would choke that game away and either barely win or lose which they ultimately did. When you root for your other team do you feel that way or is this just a iu basketball thing. I felt like I knew undoubtedly this would be the case the entire time. Thanks in advance

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I don’t really root for any other teams besides IU I just hope for good games.  Going into the second half of this game I had the sick feeling that Wisky would make a run and would make this a game.  Knew they game would be over if they got this down 2 a 1 or 2 possession game.  Winning programs with kids that have had a taste of success seem to find ways to win games.   Programs that haven’t had success with kids that haven’t tasted success (1 kid on the roster that has played in the ncaa tournament, Kopp) revert back to losing ways when things go bad.   Right now IU doesn’t know how to win.  0-2 in true road games with a chance to win both.  Missed opportunities.  Wisky is probably one of the harder road games on the schedule and missing out will sting

good news is they have 9 other chances at road wins with most of those being more winnable then this one.  Bad news is if they don’t grow up and learn from this then same crap different year will sit in.  
 

 

[Uspshoosier 46,174]

Even with crap show that was the second half they still had chances to make winning plays down the stretch.   Race misses a bunny, TJD misses a short one.   Parker finds himself with a wide open shot with 1:17 to go that would of put IU up 2.  Those shots seem to go in for winning programs.  For whatever reason that isn’t IU right now and hasn’t been.   I’m still haunted by the collapse to Maryland at home and TJD missing the last shot.   Broken record here but winning programs find ways to win and ones that don’t have success find new ways to lose 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,740]

11 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

But why not roll the dice, let him play through mistakes and actually learn? Cause what we had tonight definitely wasn’t working in the second half! A game like tonight, let’s say Woody puts Lander in and he makes some plays, gets valuable big game experience, and we come out with the W! That could turn him around as well, sorry I know Lander has issues, but I really hate seeing Rob pound the air out of the ball. 

It really doesn’t make sense to give up on a talent 19 year old point guard the way Woody seemingly has, especially when the alternative backup pg is a total dud. We’ve seen who Rob is for 90+ games at IU. He’s not the answer. The fact that going to Lander “wasn’t even a thought process” is incredibly bizarre on a night where neither senior point guard was getting it done. It seems like he wants Lander to leave. 

[IU Scott 2,375]

8 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I don’t really root for any other teams besides IU I just hope for good games.  Going into the second half of this game I had the sick feeling that Wisky would make a run and would make this a game.  Knew they game would be over if they got this down 2 a 1 or 2 possession game.  Winning programs with kids that have had a taste of success seem to find ways to win games.   Programs that haven’t had success with kids that haven’t tasted success (1 kid on the roster that has played in the ncaa tournament, Kopp) revert back to losing ways when things go bad.   Right now IU doesn’t know how to win.  0-2 in true road games with a chance to win both.  Missed opportunities.  Wisky is probably one of the harder road games on the schedule and missing out will sting

good news is they have 9 other chances at road wins with most of those being more winnable then this one.  Bad news is if they don’t grow up and learn from this then same crap different year will sit in.  
 

 

I root for the Colts and they blown 3 double digit leafs in the s cond half and lost.  The Pacers blew a 26 point lead at Charlotte on opening night

[cthomas 6,512]

CMW is going to earn his money. Fans turning on him 9 games into his first season, players failing to execute at the end of games, and and I've even seen his recruiting being questioned. We truly do live in the age of instant gratification. This game was some of the best and some of the worst basketball we've played so far this season. It's going to be a roller coaster ride and I'm not sure what else could be expected. For those calling for coach to call more timeouts, I think the announcers said he used all of them. As long as the team keeps competing and working to get better, I can live with the results.

[HoosierHoopster 7,188]

OK, I am so glad I didn't watch the 2nd half. Loved the first half, and just decided I wasn't going to chance suffering an awful L.

So, not having watched the meltdown and refs taking things over, as we thought they would, I'm still seeing positives in this game--

- The way we balanced the O in the 1st half was excellent, and TJD was moving the ball, that pass to Race at the rim was fantastic, need to build off that

- Keeping the schedule in mind - so looking at the next 7 I do think we'll be 14-2. That includes a W @PSU and home v OSU.

- Then we lose @Iowa, win @Neb, and have the showdown with PU. By then, barring injuries, the team that played the first half can beat PU at home.

- We got some solid rotation minutes from a couple guys, Geronimo came in for 5 boards, 2 blocks, hit 3-4 from the stripe, and just 1 TO in 12 minutes. And he started strong. Guy has earned minutes, said earlier I think he needs to play, get him minutes and he'll contribute, he's got a lot of upside and can defend multiple positions.

- Stewart can flat out shoot. He has found his groove. I look for more inside out and plays for his shooting.

I do think Lander needs to see the floor when X and Phin are falling off

[bleedhoosier 3,627]

Watched yet another recorded IU game on 32x speed. Almost out of interest at this point. I decided back in Creans final 2 years life has way too much good stuff going on to sit down and watch non winning ball for 2 hrs, 2-3x per week. I recall now why I miss about half the games. Not to be all doom.and gloom but this program offers nothing more than old awesome memories and the idea of redemption. 

[Golfman25 5,651]

34 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I simply am not getting what people are seeing in him.  It seems that they are setting the bar so low for him that any little thing is counted as a success.

Idk.  People fall for the hype.  He’s probably a good kid who’s gotten some bad advice.  Suck it up, stick it out, grind, and outplay the other two.  

[DChoosier 8,723]

41 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Serious question. Does anybody on here root for another team that can answer this. I knew undoubtedly that iu would choke that game away and either barely win or lose which they ultimately did. When you root for your other team do you feel that way or is this just a iu basketball thing. I felt like I knew undoubtedly this would be the case the entire time. Thanks in advance

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Let me think for a minute…….IU football in a bowl game perhaps?

[Brass Cannon 24,894]

4 minutes ago, bleedhoosier said:

Watched yet another recorded IU game on 32x speed. Almost out of interest at this point. I decided back in Creans final 2 years life has way too much good stuff going on to sit down and watch non winning ball for 2 hrs, 2-3x per week. I recall now why I miss about half the games. Not to be all doom.and gloom but this program offers nothing more than old awesome memories and the idea of redemption. 

At the end of the day I just don’t think the administration is serious about winning. I would argue that since knight 4 of our 5 coaches were not a hire of a program serious about competing makes. And the 1 serious one we ran off at the first opportunity.  
 

If woody hadn’t played here everybody would have been livid about the hire of an nba assistant without any college experience. 
 

Can we turn it around sure. Theoretically Archie could have turned it around but he didn’t. We don’t have 3 or 4 years for woody to figure out the college game.  Playing your starters less than 30 minutes is inexcusable in a 5 point game. Unless your bench is just playing our of their minds. Which isn’t happening 
 

 

[TheWatShot 14,188]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

At the end of the day I just don’t think the administration is serious about winning. I would argue that since knight 4 of our 5 coaches were not a hire of a program serious about competing makes. And the 1 serious one we ran off at the first opportunity.  
 

If woody hadn’t played here everybody would have been livid about the hire of an nba assistant without any college experience. 
 

Can we turn it around sure. Theoretically Archie could have turned it around but he didn’t. We don’t have 3 or 4 years for woody to figure out the college game.  Playing your starters less than 30 minutes is inexcusable in a 5 point game. Unless your bench is just playing our of their minds. Which isn’t happening 
 

 

We offered Brad Stevens $10 million a year. I'd say that's pretty serious. 

 

I think the program is just damaged goods at this point and I'm not sure how it gets fixed. Too many recruiting misses, too much roster turnover, too much bad karma and non-winning for all sorts of reasons. 

[str8baller 5,471]

26 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

I’m trying my best not to be hyperbolic here but that was the worst half of coaching, I’ve seen, out of an Indiana head coach, that I can remember. Of course my memory is **** but I’m trying to remember a worse half and I can’t do it. I’m sure Archie had some bad games/half’s. Woody pissed down his leg on this one. 

We’ve been through a few of these coaching changes since Knight. I’m willing to give a few games here and there. No more than a couple per season.   
 

Its just disappointing for this game to be the one. We looked bad . In some ways that half just encapsulates what we’ve been for the last two decades: a dumb, undisciplined, low iq, avg basketball team.   
 

Two ******* decades. It’s sad.

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Serious question. Does anybody on here root for another team that can answer this. I knew undoubtedly that iu would choke that game away and either barely win or lose which they ultimately did. When you root for your other team do you feel that way or is this just a iu basketball thing. I felt like I knew undoubtedly this would be the case the entire time. Thanks in advance

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[Brass Cannon 24,894]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

We offered Brad Stevens $10 million a year. I'd say that's pretty serious. 

 

I think the program is just damaged goods at this point and I'm not sure how it gets fixed. Too many recruiting misses, too much roster turnover, too much bad karma and non-winning for all sorts of reasons. 

How much you are willing to spend doesn’t make you serious.  We shot for the moon and missed so we just took a flyer?   College and NBA are so different I genuinely would have preferred a guy with college experience if we are going to take flyers.  

[IU - Kaulie 1,891]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

I may be wrong, but I think the failure to get a shot up with 10 sec in the Syracuse game is playing a part.  

This.  Woody was rightfully upset with that and right after he called the timeout.  KL also missed TJD a couple of other times.  I like KL but he is our third point guard.  I don’t see the reason for him to get playing time right now.  If he wants to transfer that will be disappointing but we will move on.  

[HoosierFan1994 4,754]

55 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Serious question. Does anybody on here root for another team that can answer this. I knew undoubtedly that iu would choke that game away and either barely win or lose which they ultimately did. When you root for your other team do you feel that way or is this just a iu basketball thing. I felt like I knew undoubtedly this would be the case the entire time. Thanks in advance

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I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan. I was born in 1994. I missed the glory days for both IU and Dallas. The Cowboys are the NFL's version of IU basketball IMO. They were 6-1 this year and now 8-4. Enough said. You just know they are going to choke. 

[IU - Kaulie 1,891]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

Can anybody tell me why no starters played more than 30 minutes 

I was begging to see a tighter rotation in another thread.  Their is no reason I can come up with.

[HoosierFan1994 4,754]

56 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I simply am not getting what people are seeing in him.  It seems that they are setting the bar so low for him that any little thing is counted as a success.

I always thought the same thing too. I live in Evansville and have seen him play multiple times. I thought he was the kind of kid that could be a pretty good college player. Never saw 5 star. My thing about this year is that it is supposed to be his actual freshman season. Yet he is sitting on the bench. I do think he is worthy of playing time (10-15 min), but he is no 5 star.