Candidate Thread: John Beilein

[Hovadipo]

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Discuss. 

[IU Scott]

I not Stevens, Beilein is my second choice

[Trish]

This will more than likely be our next head coach. 
 

We’ll see if his thugs comment hurts us. The guy can coach. Crean owned him but he was in a national championship a few years ago. 
 

Can he build a staff? 

[Hoosierfan2017]

Meh. He's nestled in between the "oh my god let's go" hires and my "oh my god what is Dolson thinking" hires. I would take him before I would take Fife or Enfield. His age is a big concern, and so is the thugs comment. I don't think he's a bad guy or anything because of the comment, I just think it could be problematic with recruiting. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I’d be highly disappointed.  I’d partially checkout if it goes this way.  I’d rather a flyer on Stu’s Gates or anyone else with some vigor.  We hire B-Line when guys like Oats are crushing it?  
 

Offer Scott Drew or some other winner under 60 yo, 5 million instead.  

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[mdiu28]

If Beilein is plan B or C - I'm happy. 

We could do much, much worse. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Meh. He's nestled in between the "oh my god let's go" hires and my "oh my god what is Dolson thinking" hires. I would take him before I would take Fife or Enfield. His age is a big concern, and so is the thugs comment. I don't think he's a bad guy or anything because of the comment, I just think it could be problematic with recruiting. 

Yeah, I’ll take him over Fife and that’s about it.  I’d rather have Enfield and that says a lot.  

[Hovadipo]

As some others have said, I do think this is the floor. It’s a pretty good floor, but with Beilein’s age, you have to think there’s some sort of end-of-career plan that would come with his hiring. Coach in waiting, etc. 

[DWB]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Meh. His age is a big concern, and so is the thugs comment. 

Take it from a guy older than Beilein. My mind is sharp as a tack. I saw plenty of things in IU's offense and defense that Archie didn't see. 

Now, by body is a different $___-hole. But don't hold Beilein's age against him. True, he won't be a 20 year guy, but he could get us on the right track for a great assistant to "carry on".

[Hoosierfan2017]

Just now, DWB said:

Take it from a guy older than Beilein. My mind is sharp as a tack. I saw plenty of things in IU's offense and defense that Archie didn't see. 

Now, by body is a different $___-hole. But don't hold Beilein's age against him. True, he won't be a 20 year guy, but he could get us on the right track for a great assistant to "carry on".

I don't doubt his basketball mind at all. I think he'd come in and be a top 2 or 3 coach in the entire conference. I just have concerns with him being able to come in at 68 and build up a program from how it is right now. Maybe he could bring in assistants to do the heavy lifting on the recruiting trail. But even if he was able to do that, his age still concerns me because we'd be looking for another coach within the next 10 years.. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

5 years maximum.  It’s not anything to do with his ability to coach 1 season.  Heck, if we are hiring a 1 year guy, B-Line might top my list, but we are not.  
 

We are hiring the face of the program, to recruit, to build into the future.  You don’t start that process at 68 at any flagship program.  

[mdiu28]

can he beat Rutgers?

[Demo]

The thug crack is bad and he deserves to be pushed hard on it. But if he owns his mistake and is able to convey real contrition he’s got a chance to move past it. If he gets defensive every time it comes up, he probably can’t. The age thing bothers me because it creates a more complicated scenario. But, that can dealt with, too. Example: Beilein brings on someone like David Ragland as his #2. Ragland is the Associate HC at Utah St. He’s the primary defensive Asst for the team that was Kenpom’s #9 team defensively. He’s going to be a really good HC for someone at some point. And he’s 39 and from Evansville. So Beilein spends 5 years building the program and then has the luxury of turning it over to a 44 year old guy from Indiana who was with him from the ground up. Bingo, long-term culture and stability. Not saying it should be Ragland, there are lots of guys and it would be up to him to find the right one. Just saying, it can be managed. And the guy’s a brilliant freaking coach. He’s not my 1st choice, but I’ll be happy as hell if this is where we end up.

[Uspshoosier]

I’m not saying that anyone thinks he should be 1, 2 or even 3 on the list but if you reached out and he was interested if the others fall through then that’s a heck of a backup plan.    I just don’t think any normal program that has missed 10 tournaments since 2002 (they wouldn’t of missed last year) would be able to have a guy like that as your backup plan 

[Trish]

If I was a betting man, I’d put $100 on this. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I’m not saying that anyone thinks he should be 1, 2 or even 3 on the list but if you reached out and he was interested if the others fall through then that’s a heck of a backup plan.    I just don’t think any normal program that has missed 10 tournaments since 2002 (they wouldn’t of missed last year) would be able to have a guy like that as your backup plan 

Worse hires than Beilein could definitely be made. I get the sense that he would 100% take the job if we offered it to him. 

[Uspshoosier]

10 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Worse hires than Beilein could definitely be made. I get the sense that he would 100% take the job if we offered it to him. 

It sucks to say out loud but if Beilein was hired they would be hiring a coach that in his last 9 years of coaching would have accomplished more then the IU program has in 25 years 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Posted this in the Coaching Prediction thread.
Here is my new outlandish thought. Stevens won't come this year, but says if he ever gets fired or when his contract ends, he will come. Dolson then approaches Bielien and talk him into taking over the reigns until BS can come with Bielien become BS's Phil Martelli like at Michigan.
Outlandish I know.


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[Feathery]

2 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Posted this in the Coaching Prediction thread.
Here is my new outlandish thought. Stevens won't come this year, but says if he ever gets fired or when his contract ends, he will come. Dolson then approaches Bielien and talk him into taking over the reigns until BS can come with Bielien become BS's Phil Martelli like at Michigan.
Outlandish I know.


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Beilein can be the associate head coach and let’s Brad finish the season. Stays on to be the top assistant and offensive genius assistant. 

[Ryno6284]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Yeah, I’ll take him over Fife and that’s about it.  I’d rather have Enfield and that says a lot.  

Man, that Archie hire scarred you deep didn't it?  I actually wouldn't mind this hire at all.  If this is the route they go, they have to have something else in place for 4-5-years from now!