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4 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

I wonder what Iowa fans thought when they hired Todd Licklighter or IU fans when they hired Archie Miller (I know how I felt)

Or Illinois fans when they hired John Groce

Or Minnesota fans when they hired Dan Monson. 

I could go on…there are many more examples of coaches failing to make the jump to high major.…and all those coaches had FAR more experience in division 1 than McCollum. D2 to Indiana in 1 year is a crazy jump. The point is, it’s a gamble…a gamble that is not necessary this go around. We don’t need to hire McCollum when there’s more viable candidates with far more experience. 

So what are you saying? More experience doesn't necessarily mean more success?

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9 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

I wonder what Iowa fans thought when they hired Todd Licklighter or IU fans when they hired Archie Miller (I know how I felt)

Or Illinois fans when they hired John Groce

Or Minnesota fans when they hired Dan Monson. 

I could go on…there are many more examples of coaches failing to make the jump to high major.…and all those coaches had FAR more experience in division 1 than McCollum. D2 to Indiana in 1 year is a crazy jump. The point is, it’s a gamble…a gamble that is not necessary this go around. We don’t need to hire McCollum when there’s more viable candidates with far more experience. 

How many of those guys had accomplished what McCollum has done. I don't care what division you are coaching, winning 4 championships is great. If you are a winner you can win anywhere 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Gameface01 said:

So what are you saying? More experience doesn't necessarily mean more success?

What I’m saying is I’m not taking a chance on some career D2 coach with 1 year at a mid major (a mid major btw that has a lot of success regardless coach) to run a multi million dollar entity that is IUBB. This is the exact type of hire where there is a legit chance in four years from now where we’re making another change and you’re wondering what went wrong.

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5 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

How many of those guys had accomplished what McCollum has done. I don't care what division you are coaching, winning 4 championships is great. If you are a winner you can win anywhere 

 

 

That’s not true though. Division 1 is so much different now than Division 2. Plus All those guys I mentioned, the Groces, the Archie Millers were all winners before and they COULD NOT WIN at Indiana or their selective schools. Hell, Archie went to the Elite Eight! McCollum has never come close to winning something like that.  @Stuhoo mentioned the greatest example, can’t remember his name…but another tremendous D2 coach (much like McCollum) who jumped to D1 and couldn’t successfully make the jump…and this was before NIL collectives, revenue sharing, agents, etc…

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https://x.com/burban1087/status/1898402754688676324?s=46

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1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said:

What I’m saying is I’m not taking a chance on some career D2 coach with 1 year at a mid major (a mid major btw that has a lot of success regardless coach) to run a multi million dollar entity that is IUBB. This is the exact type of hire where there is a legit chance in four years from now where we’re making another change and you’re wondering what went wrong.

Show me all of these power conference coaches leaving their current jobs for other power conference jobs. Did these blue bloods hire major conference coaches.

Duke No

UNC No

UK No

UL No

Syracuse No

Villinova No

I think the chances to get a Drew or a TJO is very slim. I rather take a chance on McCollum over Beard

 

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2 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

That’s not true though. Division 1 is so much different now than Division 2. Plus All those guys I mentioned, the Groces, the Archie Millers were all winners before and they COULD NOT WIN at Indiana or their selective schools. Hell, Archie went to the Elite Eight! McCollum has never come close to winning something like that.  @Stuhoo mentioned the greatest example, can’t remember his name…but another tremendous D2 coach (much like McCollum) who jumped to D1 and couldn’t successfully make the jump…and this was before NIL collectives, revenue sharing, agents, etc…

OSU football won a championship with a D2 coach who never was a HC in D1

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Beware of short term longevity coaches about to become boring at ages 62 and up.

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17 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

I wonder what Iowa fans thought when they hired Todd Licklighter or IU fans when they hired Archie Miller (I know how I felt)

Or Illinois fans when they hired John Groce

Or Minnesota fans when they hired Dan Monson. 

I could go on…there are many more examples of coaches failing to make the jump to high major.…and all those coaches had FAR more experience in division 1 than McCollum. D2 to Indiana in 1 year is a crazy jump. The point is, it’s a gamble…a gamble that is not necessary this go around. We don’t need to hire McCollum when there’s more viable candidates with far more experience. 

I agree but I think it’s about a couple things: 1. You have to hire the right assistants to fill in the voids of your weaknesses… 2. You have to be a great X’s and O’s guy and also great at making in game adjustments… 3. you and a couple people on your staff need to be great recruiters….4. You have to push for IU to hire a GM because it’s really needed in this day and age and it needs to be a homerun hire 

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24 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I would bet a lot that our next coach is already coaching another college team. 

This...hopefully our next coach will be coaching in the tournament...but not too long into the tournament...we need to get this done sooner than later...

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I've been trying to talk myself into supporting Will Wade as an option.  The fact that he paid (or at least tried to pay) players gave him a sleaze factor that I haven't been able to shake.  Wade definitely can coach, and he has the personality to succeed at IU. 

Looking back, a lot of the major schools were cheating in some capacity.  Adidas was paying players to attend Kansas and Louisville.  Nike was paying players to attend Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina.  Pitino, Self, Calipari, Williams, and Coach K may have insulated themselves from those conversations, but I will never believe that they weren't aware.   

As a society, most of us believe people should get second chances.  Knight brought in some assistants that needed second chances.  IU gave Sampson a second chance and that bit us in the rear.  Sampson's third act is going well.

My guess is that Wade would win big at IU.  His show cause penalty ends June 21, 2025.  Would IU consider hiring Wade when his season ends and suspending him until that date?  I doubt it, but Wade will get another P5 job somewhere.  Probably ASU.  

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16 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I thought that was just at UL? Or are other schools bringing in prostitutes?

Well, one of the recruits in that scandal said he wouldn't consider any school that couldn't guarantee he would get laid on the recruiting visit. As memory serves I think he wound up at OSU, LOL. Can't remember his name and who knows if that was true ;-)

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8 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://x.com/burban1087/status/1898402754688676324?s=46

Honest question to the group:

who fits the bill of:

- will run to the portal not from it

-create a culture that is uniquely Indiana basketball

share names that fit the criteria Scott shared

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2 minutes ago, MrBBall said:

Honest question to the group:

who fits the bill of:

- will run to the portal not from it

-create a culture that is uniquely Indiana basketball

share names that fit the criteria Scott shared

Brad Stevens

;-)

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12 hours ago, Mike Rodick said:

Agree about EVH,he was a demon on the guitar...also agreed on wanting a "right now" kinda coach,I'm getting along in years too and would love to see a few good seasons of IU basketball with my Grandsons before they plant me in my forever hole in the dirt...are there any VH tribute bands that do Roth and Hagar VH tributes?

Yes.  I think they call themselves Best of both Worlds.  They have a Roth guy and a Hagar guy.  Search them on youtube.  

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13 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Show me all of these power conference coaches leaving their current jobs for other power conference jobs. Did these blue bloods hire major conference coaches.

Duke No

UNC No

UK No

UL No

Syracuse No

Villinova No

I think the chances to get a Drew or a TJO is very slim. I rather take a chance on McCollum over Beard

 

Those schools situations are different. UK, UNC, Duke all hired former successful players. Syracuse and Villanova hired coaches that were hand picked to be the next coach from their legendary predecessor coaches where they were loyal assistants to them. McCollum isn’t a former player of Indiana nor was or will he be hand picked by Bob Knight (RIP).

UL hired Pat Kelcey who was a gamble. So far so good…but Kelcey had far more experience at D1 than McCollum. 

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9 minutes ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

I agree but I think it’s about a couple things: 1. You have to hire the right assistants to fill in the voids of your weaknesses… 2. You have to be a great X’s and O’s guy and also great at making in game adjustments… 3. you and a couple people on your staff need to be great recruiters….4. You have to push for IU to hire a GM because it’s really needed in this day and age and it needs to be a homerun hire 

Yes. We can do all that with a more viable candidate.

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1 hour ago, Asha’man said:

NIL just means players can get paid. Forget how it’s was supposed to be. That’s not the reality. The reality is it’s lay for play. This is minor league basketball now. The collective’s are the boosters who pay the players. So it’s all above board now, which gives IU an advantage since they have the funds but wouldn’t use them under the previous system. And there is nothing wrong with pay for play. The old system was actually illegal and was deemed so in court. 

Not so much that it’s “all above board now”, but that it’s not being policed/regulated.  Under the coming revenue sharing model and the 20.5M cap, NIL collectives will be more closely monitored to be certain players are “earning” their NIL so as to not to work around the cap.  It will put a damper on some of the monies by collectives that have been funneled to players as pay for play.

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28 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

I wonder what Iowa fans thought when they hired Todd Licklighter or IU fans when they hired Archie Miller (I know how I felt)

Or Illinois fans when they hired John Groce

Or Minnesota fans when they hired Dan Monson. 

I could go on…there are many more examples of coaches failing to make the jump to high major.…and all those coaches had FAR more experience in division 1 than McCollum. D2 to Indiana in 1 year is a crazy jump. The point is, it’s a gamble…a gamble that is not necessary this go around. We don’t need to hire McCollum when there’s more viable candidates with far more experience. 

There are far more failures than successes so many more so it's easier to anecdotally point out the successes. If we're using data in this way, a mid major hire would be extremely risky. You have to 100% know, without a doubt, it's a winning bet. 

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2 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

There are far more failures than successes so many more so it's easier to anecdotally point out the successes. If we're using data in this way, a mid major hire would be extremely risky. You have to 100% know, without a doubt, it's a winning bet. 

Exactly