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[Hornsby 3,870]

7 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Has there been a Brad Stevens example of someone being a successful collegiate coach, then spending time in the NBA only to come back to college and fail?

Totally different that has worked I thought you meant just straight up nba guys. 

[IndianaSconnie90 806]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Totally different that has worked I thought you meant just straight up nba guys. 

Well no, the only guy associated with the NBA that IU is interested in is Stevens. So the "NBA guys don't pan out" complaint really doesn't belong 

[lillurk 5,151]

almost not worth addressing but I can’t sleep:

Moot, of course, if he’s not returning to coaching let alone IU, but Stevens returning to coach in college is maybe most like Pitino doing so? They’re much different guys but universally agreed to be excellent coaches, and with a strong track record of college success.

The other guys who’ve made the transition lately — mostly the Ewing/Howard/Mullins/Woodson alma mater types, I assume? — have, uh, not had that sort of reputation. Juwan was thought to be a rising coaching star and really lost his shine at M. Woody is a late career guy who was well-liked and undone by hubris, bad roster/lineup choices, being stuck in 2004, things Knicks fans might’ve warned about.

An inability to distinguish the difference is a sign you might have some blinders on.

[Hornsby 3,870]

2 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Well no, the only guy associated with the NBA that IU is interested in is Stevens. So the "NBA guys don't pan out" complaint really doesn't bel

I was confused on the conversation. Obviously guys like pitino and and calipari did. 

[Coach Robby 545]

It´s 12:15....if our top options don´t pan out...why not offer Rick Pitino a 5 year deal? I´m not going to type why, but if he can win at Iona and St. John´s...

[Hornsby 3,870]

4 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

It´s 12:15....if our top options don´t pan out...why not offer Rick Pitino a 5 year deal? I´m not going to type why, but if he can win at Iona and St. John´s...

 

4 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

It´s 12:15....if our top options don´t pan out...why not offer Rick Pitino a 5 year deal? I´m not going to type why, but if he can win at Iona and St. John´s...

He would be a great hire buy you know they will never ever consider him

[Hoosierfan1901 8,313]

6 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

It´s 12:15....if our top options don´t pan out...why not offer Rick Pitino a 5 year deal? I´m not going to type why, but if he can win at Iona and St. John´s...

Imagine if he was with IU back in the early 2000’s. That would have been a massive what if

[Stuhoo 89,805]

18 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

It´s 12:15....if our top options don´t pan out...why not offer Rick Pitino a 5 year deal? I´m not going to type why, but if he can win at Iona and St. John´s...

He would be 79 by the end of the term. Should not happen, and thankfully will not happen.

[RaceToTheTop 31,279]

29 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Has there been a Brad Stevens example of someone being a successful collegiate coach, then spending time in the NBA only to come back to college and fail?

Larry Brown, although it depends on whether you consider his time at SMU a success.  He did 71% of his games at SMU but in his four years there he missed the tournament altogether, went to the NIT, lost in the first round of the tournament, and then was ineligible.

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2 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

We’re going to hire a guy to be our head coach that hasn’t coached in college basketball in 12 years and we are going to surround him with people that have never coached or been GM ever? 
 

I love Zeller the player but trying to wrap my head around how this makes sense. And this would be news to someone he is extremely close to

Exactly how many former GMs do you think college's hire?  It's a position new to colleges, not like you pull up some former college GM and bring him in.

[moyemayhem 1,787]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Larry Brown, although it depends on whether you consider his time at SMU a success.  He did 71% of his games at SMU but in his four years there he missed the tournament altogether, went to the NIT, lost in the first round of the tournament, and then was ineligible.

In the nine years before Larry Brown arrived, SMU had a winning record once.  I’d call winning 71% of his games in 4 years a wild success.

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49 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

So what changed on Drew? I remember the last search people saying he was slimy or did something bad in the past. I dont know what it was but it seems he went from someone we would never tough to a very realy possibility. 

NIL landscape has changed what is legal (and encouraged).

Also, time is always a healer.

[Hoosierfan1901 8,313]

9 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Larry Brown, although it depends on whether you consider his time at SMU a success.  He did 71% of his games at SMU but in his four years there he missed the tournament altogether, went to the NIT, lost in the first round of the tournament, and then was ineligible.

Probably would have made it in his 4th year if they weren’t ineligible 

[JustWinBaby 2,008]

4 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Dude thinks he can stack the non conference schedule with a bunch of no name schools, go .500 in conference, and keep his job because “hey I averaged 21 wins!” 

The fact that he thinks 21 wins is a good benchmark is alarming because 40 years ago that WAS the standard of a good season (successful coaches/programs were often measured by the number of 20+ win seasons over a period of time). But scheduling has changed since then, teams play more games now than ever, and conference tournaments give even more opportunities to win games. The 20-win benchmark hasn't been relevant in about 25 years.

Just another data point to demonstrate how out of touch he really is.

[Iufan71 23]

5 hours ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

 

Thats Hooparazzi.....he is well-known for that!!!

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Probably would have made it in his 4th year if they weren’t ineligible 

That's not a real ringing endorsement....

The fact is that the SMU program under Brown was put on probation and lost nine scholarships over the three years after Brown was fired.  NCAA found SMU guilty of academic fraud and 'lack of head coach control'.....all of which resulted in exactly zero tournament wins.

[JustWinBaby 2,008]

2 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’ve been clear that I don’t have Stevens high on my list. If he is going to be the coach I would like to see a veteran staff around him that has been in the college game, the current game and landscape. 
it’s not an agenda. I want to win and I think there are safer options out there to achieve that. I think he is a gamble and we don’t need to gamble. Adding people like Cody is gambling even more given he has zero experience coaching or as a GM.

I get what you're insinuating, but Stevens and Woodson are not on the same plane. Not even remotely.

Stevens is a basketball wizard. This has been known for a long time. He's also extremely diligent and studies his opponents well.

Woodson is not those things. He's an NBA lifer who is loved by his players but has primarily survived in his career on vibes.

There's no doubt that Stevens could come to Indiana and immediately win big. Might take one season to re-adjust but even then, the floor is probably something like this season, though I doubt with nearly as many blowout losses.

[moyemayhem 1,787]

49 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

The experiment of bringing guys in from the pros to coach in college has proven to be a disaster almost across the board. 

The track record of college coaches leaving for the NBA and then returning to college is decidedly NOT a disaster.  Pitino, Calipari, Sampson, Lon Kruger, Larry Brown, Mike Montgomery, and Hoiberg to name a few off the top of my head.  All were quite successful after their return to college, other than Hoiberg (who is still TBD).

[Hornsby 3,870]

NIL landscape has changed what is legal (and encouraged). Also, time is always a healer. 

 

In certain cases its a healer. Not all though it seems. That being said I'd love drew.  and we you got sampson and pitino killing it at age 70 so a 53 year old drew can coach another 15 to 20 years. It's not a short term hire.Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

The experiment of bringing guys in from the pros to coach in college has proven to be a disaster almost across the board. 

But not coming back. Granted most come back after failure and not success but arguably the best coach in college basketball spent time in the pros.

 

College to pros then back to college has a very strong success rate.

(Sorry didn't see see your answer moyemayhem)

Edited March 2 by DSUMMITT