General Coach Candidate News

[OKHOOSIER 4,515]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Ballo is example #1 of why relying on the portal is so risky. Dude started every game on a 27-9, conference winning sweet 16 team.  Left that to join a team that missed the tournament entirely. Guys who do that generally don’t have winning as their top priority. 

I dunno, I feel for the kid (all of them really) despite the money they’ve been paid. No one enjoys losing or being humiliated. No one came here thinking they would lose, they were lied to. There times this season where it looked like Ballo and Goode were the only guys trying to get people to buy in. Two guys from winning programs. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. 
 

I have no reason to believe any of the transfers truly understood or were told how bad a coach Woodson was or how awful the culture seems to be around the program. Sure, they came for checks, they also came because we looked like we were building a good team. 

[MikeRoberts 7,498]

15 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Not saying this is incorrect, but it hard to understand why this message wasn't communicated from day 1 after the cluster in 2021...

He was one of the primary leaks in 2021…

[IUguy77 245]

13 minutes ago, Motley's said:

No way he'd admit anything. It would immediately get to parents, players, other coaches, etc. Didn't happen. 

You don’t have a clue if it did or not. You’re just speculating. You don’t know anymore than the people you accuse of not knowing anything. 

[HinnyHoosier 5,565]

1 hour ago, Motley's said:

Way too specific. Everyone would know who that is. 

 

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I thought he was talking about Mark Turgeon

I thought he was talking about Tom Crean.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,623]

Here’s a thought. 
 

I think it’s Dusty May.  To me it makes the most sense. However Michigan being THIS successful plays with the timing and emotions of this.  
 

I don’t necessarily want it but Tony Bennett would fit the timeline and description of what Dolson wants.  He’s available to talk and plan now.  I don’t think Tony Bennett gets enough consideration as an option.   
 

I think NIL was his biggest issue and Indiana would help immensely with that. 
 

Im not saying I want him or his style but I could see it as a VERY reasonable option for Dolson.  

[MikeRoberts 7,498]

6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Here’s a thought. 
 

I think it’s Dusty May.  To me it makes the most sense. However Michigan being THIS successful plays with the timing and emotions of this.  
 

I don’t necessarily want it but Tony Bennett would fit the timeline and description of what Dolson wants.  He’s available to talk and plan now.  I don’t think Tony Bennett gets enough consideration as an option.   
 

I think NIL was his biggest issue and Indiana would help immensely with that. 
 

Im not saying I want him or his style but I could see it as a VERY reasonable option for Dolson.  

Didn’t TB abruptly leave college Baskebtall because of NIL?

is he still mad at IU?

for me, I don’t want anyone that walked away from college basketball and is off doing something else. I want a guy that lives and breathes this game and is willing to grind for IU and try to retire here. I’m not sure what Indiana’s infatuation is with guys that aren’t college coaches. 

[HinnyHoosier 5,565]

1 hour ago, Mopladysman said:

Maybe he shouldn’t have been blabbing to aau coaches. 

It's necessary to communicate with the recruiting pipelines. You have to feel out their pulse on things re: Indiana because the relationship with IU coaches has been cold since Crean was on his way out. We've only been marginally successful (at best) with top talent in our backyard for the last decade. We had a top national talent de-commit in the last year. Dolson doesn't intend to do a half arse job on this hire. I don't consider diligence to be 'blabbing'.

[AZ Hoosier 8,942]

2 hours ago, Pagoda said:

I’m glad the players are getting paid, but I wish they had contracts just like the pros that include multi-year durations, defined obligations, penalties, buyouts, etc.  These guys are now pros making big money, they should agree to act like pros.

Instead, we’ve got NIL which cannot be tied to playing at all.  Players can take the money and basically more or less do whatever they want.

The rev share contracts starting next year should have some terms closer to the pros, but I haven’t seen a rev share contract yet to see what is exactly in there.

That's the problem with how this whole thing is constructed. The concept of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) is NOT pay for play... it was set up to compensate the players for use of their name, their image and their likeness... in theory, to allow them to be paid for their inclusion in video games, to be able to endorse local businesses and products, etc... but as it's currently implemented, it has become pay for play. 

So, rather than being paid a few bucks to hawk Billy Bob's Bargain Emporium, Johnny Athlete gets paid $1M to come play basketball at Indiana (or Duke, or Kentucky, etc)... 

The revenue sharing is coming and as I understand it, it will be used to compensate all players as equitably as possible, based on the distribution across the various sports... so, everyone on the basketball team will get the same sized slice of pie... and the football players will get the same sized slice of pie, but the size of their slice of pie will be different (bigger or smaller) that the water polo team get.

Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle, and the whole thing is a pay for play situation not unlike the Kansas and UCLA and Kentucky and Duke payouts of days gone by, except this payout is above the table instead of under it. And the bottom line is there appears to be no accountability from the players, nor is there any discernible rhyme or reason for who gets what kind of payout (Leal and Gallo being paid to defense Woodson, for example).

We also have to assume that whoever the next coach is, his way of distributing NIL will be much different than his predecessor... and I suppose, with the current structure, that will be within his purview to do.

[Hollywood Mike Miranda 912]

Apologies if this has already been discussed regarding Dusty May, but all else being equal, if he had no past ties to IU whatsoever, do you think he would still be as high on the candidates list as he appears to be for many?

And for the record, I think he's a great coach who will have an extremely successful career when it's all said and done regardless of where he's coaching. I would love to see him return to IU if Brad doesn't work out - I think he'd crush it.

Just curious how much of that "he's an IU guy" still exists even after this Woodson debacle. Thoughts?

[westgym 2]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

After Friday, Scott told many people to hush it whether it was a few people in the department who might think they know what is going on or some of the big-time boosters who are putting up the money to pipe it down. 

If Dolson was intimating to AAU contacts that Brad had reasonable interest then it was the best strategy imaginable to scare Brad off.  I don’t think Dolson is that incompetent.

[hoosierbannerd 2,398]

1 hour ago, pumpfake said:

I hear it in my head: "One MILLION dollars"

I think I was able to pull this off last Halloween...

[sirhoosierlot 3,119]

1 minute ago, Hollywood Mike Miranda said:

Apologies if this has already been discussed regarding Dusty May, but all else being equal, if he had no past ties to IU whatsoever, do you think he would still be as high on the candidates list as he appears to be for many?

And for the record, I think he's a great coach who will have an extremely successful career when it's all said and done regardless of where he's coaching. I would love to see him return to IU if Brad doesn't work out - I think he'd crush it.

Just curious how much of that "he's an IU guy" still exists even after this Woodson debacle. Thoughts?

If he wasn’t an IU guy we wouldn’t think we would have a chance to get him. 

[bobknightsghost 284]

1 minute ago, Hollywood Mike Miranda said:

Apologies if this has already been discussed regarding Dusty May, but all else being equal, if he had no past ties to IU whatsoever, do you think he would still be as high on the candidates list as he appears to be for many?

And for the record, I think he's a great coach who will have an extremely successful career when it's all said and done regardless of where he's coaching. I would love to see him return to IU if Brad doesn't work out - I think he'd crush it.

Just curious how much of that "he's an IU guy" still exists even after this Woodson debacle. Thoughts?

I think it’s a large part of why he is a candidate, but it goes both ways. If he didn’t have ties to IU he almost surely wouldn’t be interested in leaving Michigan after one year with the success he’s had to take the IU job.

[Mopladysman 697]

17 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

It's necessary to communicate with the recruiting pipelines. You have to feel out their pulse on things re: Indiana because the relationship with IU coaches has been cold since Crean was on his way out. We've only been marginally successful (at best) with top talent in our backyard for the last decade. We had a top national talent de-commit in the last year. Dolson doesn't intend to do a half arse job on this hire. I don't consider diligence to be 'blabbing'.

Thanks for explaining the process.  A little odd that you yourself tell outsiders who you are targeting and give a timeline and then two days later tell everyone else to shut up is my point 

[realTomCrean 1,926]

[go iu bb 7,427]

15 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

It's necessary to communicate with the recruiting pipelines. You have to feel out their pulse on things re: Indiana because the relationship with IU coaches has been cold since Crean was on his way out. We've only been marginally successful (at best) with top talent in our backyard for the last decade. We had a top national talent de-commit in the last year. Dolson doesn't intend to do a half arse job on this hire. I don't consider diligence to be 'blabbing'.

Yep. Crean pissed off and alienated a bunch of Indiana HS and AAU coaches in his time. Miller didn't have much personality so that probably didn't help mend some of the burned bridges although he did okay at in state recruiting - he actually pulled multiple players from northern IN. Woodson put very little effort into recruiting so he certainly didn't help on that front. 

[Pagoda 2,218]

22 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

That's the problem with how this whole thing is constructed. The concept of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) is NOT pay for play... it was set up to compensate the players for use of their name, their image and their likeness... in theory, to allow them to be paid for their inclusion in video games, to be able to endorse local businesses and products, etc... but as it's currently implemented, it has become pay for play. 

So, rather than being paid a few bucks to hawk Billy Bob's Bargain Emporium, Johnny Athlete gets paid $1M to come play basketball at Indiana (or Duke, or Kentucky, etc)... 

The revenue sharing is coming and as I understand it, it will be used to compensate all players as equitably as possible, based on the distribution across the various sports... so, everyone on the basketball team will get the same sized slice of pie... and the football players will get the same sized slice of pie, but the size of their slice of pie will be different (bigger or smaller) that the water polo team get.

Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle, and the whole thing is a pay for play situation not unlike the Kansas and UCLA and Kentucky and Duke payouts of days gone by, except this payout is above the table instead of under it. And the bottom line is there appears to be no accountability from the players, nor is there any discernible rhyme or reason for who gets what kind of payout (Leal and Gallo being paid to defense Woodson, for example).

We also have to assume that whoever the next coach is, his way of distributing NIL will be much different that his predecessor... and I suppose, with the current structure, that will be within his perview to do.

Yea, NIL ended up being pay for play and also the worst possible way to roll out pay for play for the reasons you stated.  It’s terrible.

I had not heard of the rev share being equal among players on a team.  For example, I assume Fernando Mendoza is getting more football rev share than our 4th running back.  The player deals I see don’t appear to be equal.  I am not arguing, just discussing and trying to understand this new aspect of player comp.

I assume our new coach will come in and be mortified at the size of the NIL deals vs player production on our team.  I would guess they will want to redo it all and probably flip almost the whole team like UK or UL last year.  It’s going to be A LOT of work to clean up Woody’s disaster of a program.

[Jet812 99]

43 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Not saying this is incorrect, but it is hard to understand why this message wasn't communicated from day 1 after the cluster in 2021...

This has all of the trappings of “the telephone game”.  
 

SD keeps in contact with BS, & of course BS will listen, because who wouldn’t when $100 million is being thrown around, not to mention uncertainty with C’s ownership.  So SD reaches out to the money folks, (paraphrasing, obviously) “we need $ for new coach, can we count on you? Donors are told who, & SD expresses that he thinks we can get him, & the back & forth with BS leads to contract details & maybe even a formal offer, which as it makes its way to our message board becomes “we got him”.  I’m not throwing rocks at anyone sharing stuff here, as I don’t doubt what they’ve been told, but I can’t imagine people that REALLY know what’s going on would be sharing as much.  I think there is a chance that we get him, but would be shocked if it’s imminent as some have indicated here.  I’d LOVE to be wrong….

All that said, I thoroughly enjoyed reading the rumors & appreciate people sharing what they’ve heard.  Except for whoever floated the Mark Turgeon rumor, screw that guy. ;)

[Chris007 52,256]

1 hour ago, RoadToZion said:

Nothings changed on my front.

Are you still sure of that at this hour?

[IUHoosierJoe 1,651]

12 minutes ago, Hollywood Mike Miranda said:

Apologies if this has already been discussed regarding Dusty May, but all else being equal, if he had no past ties to IU whatsoever, do you think he would still be as high on the candidates list as he appears to be for many?

And for the record, I think he's a great coach who will have an extremely successful career when it's all said and done regardless of where he's coaching. I would love to see him return to IU if Brad doesn't work out - I think he'd crush it.

Just curious how much of that "he's an IU guy" still exists even after this Woodson debacle. Thoughts?

I guess the best answer to your question is yesterday Kansas Hoops Chat tweeted its top three coaches to replace Bill Self, and Dusty May was one of the three.