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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,959]

5 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Wait izzo only coached eons ago? I’m confused?


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When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and you’re not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 

Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   But, he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

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[iu eyedoc 3,415]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Izzo, too long ago.  Not the same environment. 

Holtmann-3 years of success at Butler.  Moderate risk.  
 

Juwan Howard- is a good argument.  He’s got a special fame that has allowed amazing recruiting.  So far he has knocked it out of the park.  He’s unique.  Which up and coming coach can walk into Indiana and land the #1 recruiting class?  I’ll take that guy.  

 

Izzo was hired as an up and comer and has won or shared 3 of the last 4 B1G titles. Not sure how he doesn't count. Too successful for too long?

 

Throw in Thad Matta and Matt Painter.

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Referring to the Goodman amount tweets I believe.



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[PB1230 502]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and your not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 

Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   Plus he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

How much Howard success can be attribute to Phil Martelli, especially since Howard’s recruiting impact hasn’t really come into play yet

[IUc2016 7,121]

When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and you’re not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 
Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   But, he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

Okay your original question was when has an up and comer worked in the BIG. You were provided multiple examples showing it has literally worked multiple times. At the highest level.

It is okay to say you were wrong . Not move the goalposts


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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and you’re not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 

Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   But, he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

I think I would prefer to be in a position to not only attract guys like Beard, Oats, Drew etc but to also land them. We will know a bit more who we are after this search. If those guys say no because they can win where they are then we likely have to find the right up and comer ourselves. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,959]

Just now, PB1230 said:

How much Howard success can be attribute to Phil Martelli, especially since Howard’s recruiting impact hasn’t really come into play yet

Good point.  2 huge transfer impacts though. No way they are in this position without them. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,959]

1 minute ago, IUc2016 said:

Okay your original question was when has an up and comer worked in the BIG. You were provided multiple examples showing it has literally worked multiple times. At the highest level.

It is okay to say you were wrong . Not move the goalposts


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Not moving goal posts. Picking coaches prior to the 1 n done era, changes the debate completely.  If you don’t see this point, it’s all irrelevant.  

[IUc2016 7,121]

Not moving goal posts. Picking coaches prior to the 1 n done era, changes the debate completely.  If you don’t see this point, it’s all irrelevant.  

Whatever. Continue to think you know more than everyone like normal it’s cool.

Not a good look, but cool


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3 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Izzo was hired as an up and comer and has won or shared 3 of the last 4 B1G titles. Not sure how he doesn't count. Too successful for too long?

 

Throw in Thad Matta and Matt Painter.

I guess maybe anything that happened before 2000 didn't happen

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I WANT BRAD ******* STEVENS!!!

HE IS THE ONLY COACH WE SHOULD WANT. HIM OR NATE OATS.

BRAD STEVENS, THE KING OF THE MIDWEST!!!!

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,959]

Just now, IUc2016 said:

Whatever. Continue to think you know more than everyone like normal it’s cool.

Not a good look, but cool


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It’s not personal to me.  
 

Juwan Howard may be a good counter to my point.  If he continues his success he will counter my point, and I’d be wrong.  
 

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4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Not moving goal posts. Picking coaches prior to the 1 n done era, changes the debate completely.  If you don’t see this point, it’s all irrelevant.  

1 and done is ending in 2022 isnt it?

Edit: or at least in talks 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,959]

1 minute ago, sirhoosierlot said:

1 and done is ending in 2022 isnt it?

Edit: or at least in talks 

Probably, and that will help teams like Indiana that try to be cleaner, but the teams that adjust to that change the best will win.  The next best available players will be the players to get.  Who gets them?  Are they the new 1 n done?  Does it go back to a 3 year cycle?  Who knows.  

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What I can say that I don’t want is a coach chosen to overperformance of a mid-major in this tournament. I think the smaller schools are benefiting from two huge factors:

• Small number of fans levels the playing field a lot. Big schools get an almost home court advantage in early round games is usual years
• Bad NBA draft class. We know this because UK and Duke sucked. When the draft class is bad, veteran well-coached teams can overcome the talent advantage. 

[IU Scott 2,375]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

What I can say that I don’t want is a coach chosen to overperformance of a mid-major in this tournament. I think the smaller schools are benefiting from two huge factors:

• Small number of fans levels the playing field a lot. Big schools get an almost home court advantage in early round games is usual years
• Bad NBA draft class. We know this because UK and Duke sucked. When the draft class is bad, veteran well-coached teams can overcome the talent advantage. 

I don't know about the bigger teams having a home court advantage early on.  I have been to the tournament in Indy plenty of times and when the lower seed is winning and it is coming down to the end the whole place is for the underdog except for one fan base.

[IUc2016 7,121]

Tom Izzo: 0
Matt Painter: 0
Chris Holtmann: 3
Greg Gard: 0
Brad Underwood: 1
Juwan Howard: 0

These are arguably the best coaches in the BIG. The numbers listed = the number of years these coaches had at a power 6 conference before taking a head coaching job in the BIG.

Chris holtmann was at butler, which kinda counts. Other than that, not many examples of a BIG school hiring an established coach of another major conference. Turgeon was hired away from Texas A&M but he is pretty mediocre.

Another one for you Wayne, Bo Ryan never had a power 6 job and barely a D1 job for that matter before he took over Wisconsin.


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3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Probably, and that will help teams like Indiana that try to be cleaner, but the teams that adjust to that change the best will win.  The next best available players will be the players to get.  Who gets them?  Are they the new 1 n done?  Does it go back to a 3 year cycle?  Who knows.  

I think it the teams that will be good now will still be the good team then honestly. In general I think it's better to get old and stay old. Roster construction and adapting scheme to the roster is more important to me. Recruiting dawgs absolutely goes along with that though so I agree with you there. 

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Just now, IUc2016 said:

Tom Izzo: 0
Matt Painter: 0
Chris Holtmann: 3
Greg Gard: 0
Brad Underwood: 1
Juwan Howard: 0

These are arguably the best coaches in the BIG. The numbers listed = the number of years these coaches had at a power 6 conference before taking a head coaching job in the BIG.

Chris holtmann was at butler, which kinda counts. Other than that, not many examples of a BIG school hiring an established coach of another major conference. Turgeon was hired away from Texas A&M but he is pretty mediocre.

Another one for you Wayne, Bo Ryan never had a power 6 job and barely a D1 job for that matter before he took over Wisconsin.


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Painter and Gard were both coach in waiting not the same at all 

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44 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Jeff Goodman’s ranking of the B1G basketball jobs. This was prior to his buddy Archie getting fired.

Fan base, PUH-lease Twitter the F’ing Sht out of this on every single post he puts up!!!