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[rcbowla]

Meh. Not sure about the other contracts but Beards is basically an Anti- compete with schools in Texas. The buyout dramatically drops, I think to 3 or 6 million, if the school isn’t in Texas. The others may be similar 

It's $3M I believe for Beard if the school is not in Texas and possibly the Big 12 (not sure on that). It was basically a stiff arm to Texas in case they came a knockin'.

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[Chris007]

Chronichoosier posted this on twitter. A perfect metaphor for today and IU basketball on Kirkwood

 

[lillurk]

14 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

My biggest issue with Romeo was how he was used and that wasn't his fault. Standing in the corner all the time on offense and doing nothing. Franklin got used at times like that this year. That's a coaching decision that I don't understand. 

Yes, I have a vivid memory of a Romeo/Juwan pick and roll on an empty side in the home game vs Purdue that year. It led to a Juwan dunk or layup. They should’ve dared teams to stop that kind of action.

Same with Franklin this year. He had some turnover issues but IU badly needed a guard to make plays and he could do that.

[Bowhunter]

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/
 
Dana Altman has a buy-out of $18million? He's off the list. 
Tony Bennett has a buy-out of $21 million. He's off the list. 
Rick Barnes and Chris Beard? $15 and $16 million dollars.
Nate Oats is $14 million
Steve Alford has a $9million dollar buy-out? Thank god. Too rich for our blood right now. LOL

I am sad to see Chris Beard’s buyout is so much.🥲


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[lillurk]

I genuinely worry that 1) IU stays the course, 2) IU has a decent season, and 3) IU sticks with Miller.

It’s not my call but it isn’t working and seems to be going the wrong way based on the last month and the recruiting. There’s a pretty good group coming back, especially on the perimeter with Franklin, Stewart, and an improved Lander (plus I like Rob but I think he’d be better under a different coach).

I can see the logic with waiting if you really think there’s a small number of coaches who can win at IU. I disagree, like @Chris007 , and think most competent options would be an immediate and long-term upgrade. Like @hoosierpap I live outside the state now and think the recruiting base and resources make IU a sleeping giant so I’m less convinced you need some hard-to-find “perfect fit.”

Like a lot of y’all I typically watch every game, read and think about the team a ton, and that enthusiasm has waned big time.

Anyway, what if IU’s like 23-13 (10-10) next year but plays into the sweet sixteen after they upset a 2 or 3 seed in the second round? That wouldn’t really change my perspective on Miller but I worry it would just delay the inevitable longer.

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I genuinely worry that 1) IU stays the course, 2) IU has a decent season, and 3) IU sticks with Miller.

It’s not my call but it isn’t working and seems to be going the wrong way based on the last month and the recruiting. There’s a pretty good group coming back, especially on the perimeter with Franklin, Stewart, and an improved Lander (plus I like Rob but I think he’d be better under a different coach).

I can see the logic with waiting if you really think there’s a small number of coaches who can win at IU. I disagree, like @Chris007 , and think most competent options would be an immediate and long-term upgrade. Like @hoosierpap I live outside the state now and think the recruiting base and resources make IU a sleeping giant so I’m less convinced you need some hard-to-find “perfect fit.”

Like a lot of y’all I typically watch every game, read and think about the team a ton, and that enthusiasm has waned big time.

Anyway, what if IU’s like 23-13 (10-10) next year but plays into the sweet sixteen after they upset a 2 or 3 seed in the second round? That wouldn’t really change my perspective on Miller but I worry it would just delay the inevitable longer.

Here is where I'm at right now. Purdue had the youngest team in the Big ten, kicked our A$$ twice, and bringing in two top 50 players. We're hoping to land a transfer from Indiana State. Something has to change. 

[Trish]

3 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I genuinely worry that 1) IU stays the course, 2) IU has a decent season, and 3) IU sticks with Miller.

It’s not my call but it isn’t working and seems to be going the wrong way based on the last month and the recruiting. There’s a pretty good group coming back, especially on the perimeter with Franklin, Stewart, and an improved Lander (plus I like Rob but I think he’d be better under a different coach).

I can see the logic with waiting if you really think there’s a small number of coaches who can win at IU. I disagree, like @Chris007 , and think most competent options would be an immediate and long-term upgrade. Like @hoosierpap I live outside the state now and think the recruiting base and resources make IU a sleeping giant so I’m less convinced you need some hard-to-find “perfect fit.”

Like a lot of y’all I typically watch every game, read and think about the team a ton, and that enthusiasm has waned big time.

Anyway, what if IU’s like 23-13 (10-10) next year but plays into the sweet sixteen after they upset a 2 or 3 seed in the second round? That wouldn’t really change my perspective on Miller but I worry it would just delay the inevitable longer.

We'd be in the same position we were with Crean then.

I'd like to think we'd be smart enough to know we have a candidate lined up before we fire Archie. Firing Archie and having a pool of candidates send in their resume doesn't seem like a practical practice at a Big Ten school like Indiana.

We interviewed a mid-major guy four years ago. Coaches weren't lining up by the looks of it. 

[BleedCubbieBlue]

Let's play a game.  Name all of the current Big Ten coaches that have coached for at least 4 years in the Big Ten (so exclude Ferry, Howard, and Hoiberg) that have not achieved a winning record in conference play in their first 4 years coaching in the Big Ten.

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, Treesh said:

We'd be in the same position we were with Crean then.

I'd like to think we'd be smart enough to know we have a candidate lined up before we fire Archie. Firing Archie and having a pool of candidates send in their resume doesn't seem like a practical practice at a Big Ten school like Indiana.

We interviewed a mid-major guy four years ago. Coaches weren't lining up by the looks of it. 

So the only reason we will have a better candidate next year is that our buyout will be cheaper?

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Let's play a game.  Name all of the current Big Ten coaches that have coached for at least 4 years in the Big Ten (so exclude Ferry, Howard, and Hoiberg) that have not achieved a winning record in conference play in their first 4 years coaching in the Big Ten.

Ryan Joseph Miller. What do I win?

[BleedCubbieBlue]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Ryan Joseph Miller. What do I win?

Close, but you forgot one.

[Trish]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

So the only reason we will have a better candidate next year is that our buyout will be cheaper?

I have no idea. As you mentioned earlier, there are better programs on the verge of opening up. The big fish could be waiting for that although we can all assume who will fill those spots. 

There could be a change of hearts this off-season for some coaches or maybe next year. It wasn't as fruitful as we had all hoped four year ago. Considering that and other big jobs maybe opening up..

[IUc2016]

1 minute ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Close, but you forgot one.

Franimal

[Chris007]

Just now, Treesh said:

I have no idea. As you mentioned earlier, there are better programs on the verge of opening up. The big fish could be waiting for that although we can all assume who will fill those spots. 

There could be a change of hearts this off-season for some coaches or maybe next year. It wasn't as fruitful as we had all hoped four year ago. Considering that and other big jobs maybe opening up..

IMO it wasn't fruitful because we didn't want to pay to be players again. We wanted to go cheap with an up and comer and hoped it worked out. It didn't so now time to dish out some money. It's the same candidates now or this time next year IMO

[Trish]

Just now, Chris007 said:

IMO it wasn't fruitful because we didn't want to pay to be players again. We wanted to go cheap with an up and comer and hoped it worked out. It didn't so now time to dish out some money. It's the same candidates now or this time next year IMO

I agree that most candidates this year will be here next year. The names of Belein, Matta, Fife--  Which makes me think if I'm a big booster, I'd just save my money. But if the money is there then I suppose we can make a change. 

This is just a really bad situation and yeah we could win our next hire but will we find a coach that gets better results than what CTC did? (3 Sweet 16's, BIG Champions)

I don't know.. 

[BleedCubbieBlue]

2 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Franimal

Ding, Ding, Ding!  You win the satisfaction of knowing that Archie Miller is on par with Fran McCaffery in his first four years.

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Ding, Ding, Ding!  You win the satisfaction of knowing that Archie Miller is on par with Fran McCaffery in his first four years.

Less technicals though 

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I agree that most candidates this year will be here next year. The names of Belein, Matta, Fife--  Which makes me think if I'm a big booster, I'd just save my money. But if the money is there then I suppose we can make a change. 

This is just a really bad situation and yeah we could win our next hire but will we find a coach that gets better results than what CTC did? (3 Sweet 16's, BIG Champions)

I don't know.. 

I know I love your positivity. I think I'm just getting frustrated that my gut is telling me that were going to sit through this for another year 

[BleedCubbieBlue]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Less technicals though 

Fran also managed to hit .500 twice in his first four years, where Archie only managed it once.

[Golfman25]

19 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I genuinely worry that 1) IU stays the course, 2) IU has a decent season, and 3) IU sticks with Miller.

It’s not my call but it isn’t working and seems to be going the wrong way based on the last month and the recruiting. There’s a pretty good group coming back, especially on the perimeter with Franklin, Stewart, and an improved Lander (plus I like Rob but I think he’d be better under a different coach).

I can see the logic with waiting if you really think there’s a small number of coaches who can win at IU. I disagree, like @Chris007 , and think most competent options would be an immediate and long-term upgrade. Like @hoosierpap I live outside the state now and think the recruiting base and resources make IU a sleeping giant so I’m less convinced you need some hard-to-find “perfect fit.”

Like a lot of y’all I typically watch every game, read and think about the team a ton, and that enthusiasm has waned big time.

Anyway, what if IU’s like 23-13 (10-10) next year but plays into the sweet sixteen after they upset a 2 or 3 seed in the second round? That wouldn’t really change my perspective on Miller but I worry it would just delay the inevitable longer.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing, expecting different results.  The only way we improve next year is if there is a philosophy change at the top.  Archie has shown he is unable to make such change.  Thus, the AD needs to make the change for him.