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[Trish 11,548]

I can't get behind a guy who was on a downward trend at O$U and hasn't sniffed a basketball in FOUR YEARS.

Kids don't remember him, his recruiting was already on the fritz. 

No thanks. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,303]

15 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

As I've tried to say today that a lot of coaches feel that removing a coach after year 4, when there was no tourney last year & coaching during COVID this year while taking a pay cut is bad business. When you add in 5 coaches in 21 years, I think people are hesitant to come here. I think people think it is an administration problem. Can't run off players, harder to get grad transfers things like that. 

Coaching’s a fraternity so they’re going to stick up for one of their own. They also have vested interests in coaches getting longer leashes from their schools. The lower the expectations, the greater the job security.
 

Coaches might think four years isn’t long enough, but they can’t deny that Archie hasn’t gotten it done. And they also can’t deny that our year 5 outlook is quite bleak. Recruiting has fallen off a cliff, and it’ll only be worse next year. He’s not going to get any difference making recruits  sign when he’s sitting on a scorching hot seat. . Four years is plenty of time to time to get a program turned in the right direction. Two coaches in our own conference who were hired the same year as Archie have done exactly that. 

 

[Bowhunter 2,693]

I don’t get all the Matta love either. They were in a downward trend. OSU was ready to move on. If that’s the best we can do, we really have fallen.


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[Hoosierfan2017 21,303]

7 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I don’t get all the Matta love either. They were in a downward trend. OSU was ready to move on. If that’s the best we can do, we really have fallen.


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Despite the ‘downward trend,’ he went 11-7 in the big ten in his second to last season. That’s better than we’ve done in the past 5 years. He hasn’t even coached in the past four seasons yet he’s been to as many NCAA tournaments in the past five seasons as IU has. I fully expect whoever we hire to be worse than Thad Matta. 

[TheWatShot 13,931]

21 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Coaching’s a fraternity so they’re going to stick up for one of their own. They also have vested interests in coaches getting longer leashes from their schools. The lower the expectations, the greater the job security.
 

Coaches might think four years isn’t long enough, but they can’t deny that Archie hasn’t gotten it done. And they also can’t deny that our year 5 outlook is quite bleak. Recruiting has fallen off a cliff, and it’ll only be worse next year. He’s not going to get any difference making recruits  sign when he’s sitting on a scorching hot seat. . Four years is plenty of time to time to get a program turned in the right direction. Two coaches in our own conference who were hired the same year as Archie have done exactly that. 

 

Not to mention, Archie Miller at IU isn't threatening anyone or making their jobs more difficult. If I competed against someone who royally sucked at their job and wasn't doing anything, I'd want them to keep on keeping on, too. 

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29 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I don’t get all the Matta love either. They were in a downward trend. OSU was ready to move on. If that’s the best we can do, we really have fallen.


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Didn't I read were Matta needs help getting to and from his seat for Butler Hoops?  That doesn't signal a person who has the health to be a head coach IMO?

I'm old enough to remember when we would all be arguing about what seed we would be getting for the NCAA Tourney...the good ol days.    Been 1,803 days since IU last played in an NCAA Tourney game...but whose counting 

 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

1 hour ago, Bowhunter said:

I don’t get all the Matta love either. They were in a downward trend. OSU was ready to move on. If that’s the best we can do, we really have fallen.


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I think a lot of people, likely Matta included, would contribute the decline in results directly to the decline in his health. That his back issues got so bad that he was not able to fight the recruiting battles like he used to, he had to sit at practice a lot and even outside of that he was a very active guy who was forced to be much less active. In a job that requires a LOT to perform at a high level, that will take it's toll on anyone. This is also the reason I'm a no on Matta until there is some sort of definitive proof that his health will no longer hold him back, which is likely something we won't have until he goes and actually coaches somewhere for several years. We can't be that guinea pig. Even if there are claims that his health has improved, you have to wonder how much of that improvement is simply b/c he's not trying to perform an incredibly demanding job every day anymore. 

Edit: *Attribute*, not contribute. I must have typed that with my disposable thumbs. 

[8bucks 6,430]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

As I've tried to say today that a lot of coaches feel that removing a coach after year 4, when there was no tourney last year & coaching during COVID this year while taking a pay cut is bad business. When you add in 5 coaches in 21 years, I think people are hesitant to come here. I think people think it is an administration problem. Can't run off players, harder to get grad transfers things like that. 

I think this fear of the Admin is a big potential problem.  We have heard how coaches could not get rid of players.  DD has mentioned that you need to be able to bench players to send a message yet Archie plays kids anyway.  I doubt he is soft so i wonder if he is being limited in how hard he can coach the kids.  

I hope the Admin hears this loud and clear, if true, and will let him do what he needs to do.  

[Golfman25 5,329]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

As I've tried to say today that a lot of coaches feel that removing a coach after year 4, when there was no tourney last year & coaching during COVID this year while taking a pay cut is bad business. When you add in 5 coaches in 21 years, I think people are hesitant to come here. I think people think it is an administration problem. Can't run off players, harder to get grad transfers things like that. 

Then introduce them to Tom Allen and the football program.  "The Administration" is a sorry old excuse.  If IU football can find success, as well as other sports, it's time for IU basketball to look in the mirror and take accountability.  

[Chris007 43,895]

3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Then introduce them to Tom Allen and the football program.  "The Administration" is a sorry old excuse.  If IU football can find success, as well as other sports, it's time for IU basketball to look in the mirror and take accountability.  

I'll ask Tom if he knows Archie, I think they do. Probably don't hang out since it's frowned upon around campus during COVID. But I know Archie was his biggest cheerleader this fall so I think they know each other. 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

9 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Then introduce them to Tom Allen and the football program.  "The Administration" is a sorry old excuse.  If IU football can find success, as well as other sports, it's time for IU basketball to look in the mirror and take accountability.  

I think you're right in that if IU football can find success, there is no reason IU basketball cannot. Where I don't think there is a direct correlation is that we don't want a Tom Allen for basketball (not the man and coach we currently know, I mean the equivalent of what Tom Allen was before he was our head football coach). He wasn't a known commodity that had a track record of high level head coaching success before we hired him. We want the hoops version of a Nick Saban, a Ryan Day, a Dabo Swinney. A Tom Allen in the college basketball world is a well respected assistant coach who specializes in defense. Are those out there? Sure. Can they have a Tom Allen affect on the basketball program? Sure. But they are all names we would scoff at as our next head coach. I could be wrong but I think Chris's point is more that our list of Nick Saban's, Ryan Day's and Dabo Swinney's in college hoops aren't viewing this job as very attractive. The Tom Allen's of college hoops probably would, and wouldn't bat an eye at whatever the perceived administration issues are. 

[Trish 11,548]

Speaking of Tom, I saw him the other week at Fresh Thyme shopping. 

 

Just enjoying his Saturday afternoon in the best town in Indiana. 

[Chris007 43,895]

3 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I think you're right in that if IU football can find success, there is no reason IU basketball cannot. Where I don't think there is a direct correlation is that we don't want a Tom Allen for basketball (not the man and coach we currently know, I mean the equivalent of what Tom Allen was before he was our head football coach). He wasn't a known commodity that had a track record of high level head coaching success before we hired him. We want the hoops version of a Nick Saban, a Ryan Day, a Dabo Swinney. A Tom Allen in the college basketball world is a well respected assistant coach who specializes in defense. Are those out there? Sure. Can they have a Tom Allen affect on the basketball program? Sure. But they are all names we would scoff at as our next head coach. I could be wrong but I think Chris's point is more that our list of Nick Saban's, Ryan Day's and Dabo Swinney's in college hoops aren't viewing this job as very attractive. The Tom Allen's of college hoops probably would, and wouldn't bat an eye at whatever the perceived administration issues are. 

You take what I say and say it in a more polished way. I appreciate that. No wonder my wife the educator wants to proofread all of my stuff for work before I can send it out. Thank you and you are correct 100%

[Chris007 43,895]

2 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Speaking of Tom, I saw him the other week at Fresh Thyme shopping. 

 

Just enjoying his Saturday afternoon in the best town in Indiana. 

Did you say hi? He is awesome to talk to. 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You take what I say and say it in a more polished way. I appreciate that. No wonder my wife the educator wants to proofread all of my stuff for work before I can send it out. Thank you and you are correct 100%

I'm doing everything I can to resist making a joke that I'm actually your wife, finally revealing my online persona and that I follow you around the message boards to proofread and polish up what you're trying to say.....b/c that would just be weird.

 

Or would it....

[Chris007 43,895]

1 minute ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I'm doing everything I can to resist making a joke that I'm actually your wife, finally revealing my online persona and that I follow you around the message boards to proofread and polish up what you're trying to say.....b/c that would just be weird.

 

Or would it....

Nashville Hoosier wouldn't make sense for her. Also, she thinks I talk too much about IU basketball at home, so this site is way too much for her. She also doesn't work at IU so she doesn't have this much free time on her hands. 

Jokes are always good :)

[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Nashville Hoosier wouldn't make sense for her. Also, she thinks I talk too much about IU basketball at home, so this site is way too much for her. She also doesn't work at IU so she doesn't have this much free time on her hands. 

Jokes are always good :)

Trying to talk IU basketball at home is the reason I come to this board. So, ya know, someone will actually talk to me. Yet my wife, an IU grad as well, thinks I'm ridiculous for coming to talk to a bunch of people I don't know on a message board about IU basketball. It's a catch-22 really. 

[Josh 12,621]

4 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Trying to talk IU basketball at home is the reason I come to this board. So, ya know, someone will actually talk to me. Yet my wife, an IU grad as well, thinks I'm ridiculous for coming to talk to a bunch of people I don't know on a message board about IU basketball. It's a catch-22 really. 

My wife said she could never marry anybody who liked sports.  

Sometimes we're just so damn sexy these women can't help themselves

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,210]

Speaking of Tom, I saw him the other week at Fresh Thyme shopping. 
 
Just enjoying his Saturday afternoon in the best town in Indiana. 

Glad you said best town in Indiana instead of the Country. I'd argue mine is batter.

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[Chris007 43,895]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

My wife said she could never marry anybody who liked sports.  

Sometimes we're just so damn sexy these women can't help themselves

My wife played CBB. My son and I take a drink every time she says "when I played we did blah blah blah" We take multiple drinks every game. He's 14 so getting him hammered at an early age is going to help him in college. I'm kidding. I'm the only one drinking alcohol