General Coach Candidate News

[Hoosierfan1901 8,315]

3 minutes ago, BGleas said:

but since you mentioned Alabama I don't think Oats had much experience on these fronts before getting to Bama (i could be wrong, don't know a ton about his history)

Oats was an HS basketball HC before becoming an assistant on Buffalo (eventually became HC after 2 years). Did have some experience being an assistant in the NAIA/D3 level too.

[Scotty R 3,768]

20 minutes ago, str8baller said:

1) You have to get him a GM type to handle all that. Have to. Take your salary savings and get the best person possible. 
 

2) Weirdly, I would think Rice and maybe even Reneau are decent building blocks. Reneau can literally only be successful in defense that values positioning and contests. He’s not going to be a shot blocker or a big that can switch onto guards. If McCollum is this great pg whisperer Rice would seem to be a decent start. 

I think more teams will go with a GM because there is to much work for the HC to do all of the recruiting. Wasn't it mentioned in the Stevens rumors that he wanted a GM.

[Uspshoosier 54,570]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I wonder about McC's ability to go into living rooms or a Montverde (purely an example) and recruit high 4 and 5-star talent.  But it's not like Mike Woodson was a champion recruiter.  If it is to be McC, then who be puts on his staff and their recruiting connections will be very critical IMO.

If Dolson says he is the guy then he will do everything in his power to let him succeed.   Surround him with sharks.  And the rest will work itself out.   If IU has the money everyone thinks they have then you spend more on assistants 

[BGleas 9,031]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Oats was an HS basketball HC before becoming an assistant on Buffalo (eventually became HC after 2 years). Did have some experience being an assistant in the NAIA/D3 level too.

That's what I thought, but wasn't sure. 

Just one example, but I think it supports the theory that if you can coach, you can coach. The other stuff can be figured out, especially with resources. 

[Pagoda 4,964]

9 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Agree! My hope is that IU's NIL, and maybe a newly hired GM, helps with the talent part early on if there is any adjustment period on that front for McCollum. 

Painter doesn't have the money or history that an IU would bring. It may be lightening in a bottle, but since you mentioned Alabama I don't think Oats had much experience on these fronts before getting to Bama (i could be wrong, don't know a ton about his history).

I guess I'm willing to gamble on IU's NIL to carry recruiting for a potentially great culture and team builder, and X's/O's guy. 

I don’t think NIL is that hard.  The player values are pretty easy to figure out through comps of existing players and agents.  Cig had no issues, nor do most coaches.

Our NIL can get us into most recruitments.  Woody still couldn’t close a lot of those because recruits saw he was a bad coach with a bad system, especially for guards.  McCollum could do better — big question Scott has to figure out is can McCollum and the system he wants to run land the Mullens, McNeely’s, Haralsons, etc. we need to land.  Will they want to play for him and feel they have a path to the league?  I don’t know.  I suspect a good coach can figure it out though.

[Uspshoosier 54,570]

Some of you want Oats how about Oats lite if your top candidates say no

Bryan Hodgson was Oats top shark and tries to play exactly like Bama at Arkansas St.  only 37.  Wouldn’t have to worry about recruiting with him 

[newcastle12 373]

27 minutes ago, str8baller said:

1) You have to get him a GM type to handle all that. Have to. Take your salary savings and get the best person possible. 
 

2) Weirdly, I would think Rice and maybe even Reneau are decent building blocks. Reneau can literally only be successful in defense that values positioning and contests. He’s not going to be a shot blocker or a big that can switch onto guards. If McCollum is this great pg whisperer Rice would seem to be a decent start. 

I think Reneau is a great building block, I just bet he jumps to a school that he thinks will win.   I don't think Rice is a horrible guy to hang onto if the system coming in fits him.   I wouldn't get in a bidding war over either of them I don't think unless the new coach fits that style to a T, which isn't likely.  

[Chris007 62,613]

12 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Bob Richey won’t get the IU job but some high major will be hiring him this cycle or the next 

Kid rock coaches too?

[Ctf9 497]

ESPN’s top draft analyst on Stirtz: https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1899089210281165292

 

Some of you wondering if he could hack it in the Big Ten when you should be worrying that he’s going pro before he ever sets foot in btown. 

[Scotty R 3,768]

12 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Agree! My hope is that IU's NIL, and maybe a newly hired GM, helps with the talent part early on if there is any adjustment period on that front for McCollum. 

Painter doesn't have the money or history that an IU would bring. It may be lightening in a bottle, but since you mentioned Alabama I don't think Oats had much experience on these fronts before getting to Bama (i could be wrong, don't know a ton about his history).

I guess I'm willing to gamble on IU's NIL to carry recruiting for a potentially great culture and team builder, and X's/O's guy. 

I think 8-10 years ago Oats was coaching high school basketball then went to Buffalo and now is at Alabama. So he didn't have big time experience.

 

[SlammySammy 1,737]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Kid rock coaches too?

He’s also a cowboy

[jimsorgi 1,134]

14 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Agree! My hope is that IU's NIL, and maybe a newly hired GM, helps with the talent part early on if there is any adjustment period on that front for McCollum. 

Painter doesn't have the money or history that an IU would bring. It may be lightening in a bottle, but since you mentioned Alabama I don't think Oats had much experience on these fronts before getting to Bama (i could be wrong, don't know a ton about his history).

I guess I'm willing to gamble on IU's NIL to carry recruiting for a potentially great culture and team builder, and X's/O's guy. 

Exactly where I am and why I'm optimistic that the current situation makes it easier for someone like McCollum to transition that it would have a decade ago.

[str8baller 7,650]

8 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I think more teams will go with a GM because there is to much work for the HC to do all of the recruiting. Wasn't it mentioned in the Stevens rumors that he wanted a GM.

Yes. It took pro football and basketball a while to figure out it’s too much work for one guy. I see big time college sports heading that direction. 

[Scotty R 3,768]

20 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I wonder about McC's ability to go into living rooms or a Montverde (purely an example) and recruit high 4 and 5-star talent.  But it's not like Mike Woodson was a champion recruiter.  If it is to be McC, then who be puts on his staff and their recruiting connections will be very critical IMO.

I would bet he would put a lot more effort in recruiting than Woodson did. Woodson still got his share of top players despite having to be told to go out and recruit.

[Pagoda 4,964]

Just now, jimsorgi said:

Exactly where I am and why I'm optimistic that the current situation makes it easier for someone like McCollum to transition that it would have a decade ago.

Yes.  Being an expert under the table bagman is no longer a key coach criteria.

[Uspshoosier 54,570]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Kid rock coaches too?

I’m guessing that’s kid rocks name as well?

Furman head coach 

[moyemayhem 1,799]

Billy D looks ready to come to Bloomington.

[OGIUAndy 1,115]

5 minutes ago, newcastle12 said:

I think Reneau is a great building block, I just bet he jumps to a school that he thinks will win.   I don't think Rice is a horrible guy to hang onto if the system coming in fits him.   I wouldn't get in a bidding war over either of them I don't think unless the new coach fits that style to a T, which isn't likely.  

Reneau is really good. I would try to keep him. 

[str8baller 7,650]

8 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

big question Scott has to figure out is can McCollum and the system he wants to run land the Mullens, McNeely’s, Haralsons, etc. we need to land.  Will they want to play for him and feel they have a path to the league?  

If you can’t intergrate a McNeely into your system, you actually might not be cut out for a big time job. Hurley runs great stuff and has no problem integrating freshman like mcneely and castle. 

[Pagoda 4,964]

Just now, str8baller said:

If you can’t intergrate a McNeely into your system, you actually might not be cut out for a big time job. Hurley runs great stuff and has no problem integrating freshman like mcneely and castle. 

Agree.  I’m just talking about selling the player on the system at the recruiting stage and getting them to sign.  Once he gets the player I’ve got no worries.