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2 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

That type of guy worked back then. You need more of a scorer than shooter now. They also need to have quickness for D and great ball handling to push it in tandem with X. Especially with what IUs roster makeup is. 

Miller K was pretty close to a Nick Z and he was a liability many times. 

You need another JHS or Tamar who can be consistent. I actually believe that could be Gunn but he was dreadful shooting last year. 

They really only need 1 guy like that and then you can fill in or save a spot and work to develop what we have. He is out there somewhere and as others have said, that wasn’t Ledlum so in that case, we didn’t lost much there. 

Zeisloft playing his role in 2014-16 would have absolutely would have worked in the offense last season. Would it have been better if he could have driven and finished at the rim? Yes, players that can do both at a high level typically don't stay around college ball that long. Zeisloft would have never been confused for a good defender but he would have fit in on most nights with IU's defense.

I would agree they are pretty similar with the main difference between Zeisloft took and made more 3s than Kopp. They're numbers for rebounding, assisting, and shooting are probably similar and defense was about the same. I would say Zeisloft had a little more impact on winning than Kopp. That 2015/16 team had a lot more leadership than this team.

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1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

Well  in the last 25 years we have had 6 coaches, 4AD's and 4 presidents.  These people are who gets all the blame yet we have changed them on average every 5-6 years and still nothing changed. The fans are the only one constant and some of the fan bases actions have been detrimental to the program. 

Every thinks Hoosier Hysterics guys are great but their actions has not always helped. 

Who/what do you believe has an impact on the program winning and how would you rank them?

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Jiminy christmas people.  Full on melt down mode because some dude from Harvard committed to a hillbilly football school.  We all knew this would be a "rebuilding" year.  The portal isn't the holly grail.  And until we get new cheerleading uniforms, we're doomed.  

Take a break guys and go enjoy the worlds greatest college weekend.  :) 

A lot of people need to touch grass today *wink wink

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1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

Zeisloft playing his role in 2014-16 would have absolutely would have worked in the offense last season. Would it have been better if he could have driven and finished at the rim? Yes, players that can do both at a high level typically don't stay around college ball that long. Zeisloft would have never been confused for a good defender but he would have fit in on most nights with IU's defense.

I would agree they are pretty similar with the main difference between Zeisloft took and made more 3s than Kopp. They're numbers for rebounding, assisting, and shooting are probably similar and defense was about the same. I would say Zeisloft had a little more impact on winning than Kopp. That 2015/16 team had a lot more leadership than this team.

Z played before they moved the 3pt line back, again. 15/16 just had more ppl that could create for others. Zeisloft had a quicker trigger, it served him well. I think Miller was better overall. Miller's effectiveness diminished some when XJ went out. TG/Bates don't have the passing ability or the ability to breakdown a defense like XJ. 

Man we had nice pieces if XJ stays healthy. sucks. 

 

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32 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

Not accusing or blaming here, just merely thinking out loud.....Would some or a few of these "wider nets" being cast and portal successes be a result of some "behind the scenes" cheating? Again, I'm just curious and am not pointing a finger at anyone specific. However, it does happen and has been going on, from what others have said during this new NIL/Portal recruiting era.

Someone posted either this board or HSN something to the extent, "If you can't beat them, join them!" They were basically saying, "If they are cheating and getting good results, why not do the same?" I don't want anything to do with that type of mentality and I know Woodson and Co. feel the same way. I guess my wish and hope for this staff is to continue work harder that anyone else, but continue to do it honestly and honorably.

No. Just no. We're not using the "Indiana doesn't win because we're the only school who is moral and does things the right way" argument. 

Everyone pays players now. We also currently have assistants who have gotten their hands "dirty" at other schools. You can take both of those statements however you want, but no, Indiana isn't "cleaner" than other schools. 

If we lose out on a recruit, we lose out on a recruit. If our program isn't as successful as nother school, it's just not as successful as another school. 

That's a worn-out excuse that Purdue fans have used for 40 years to explain the lack of their NCAA tourney success. Let's not use it here...

 

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32 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

Not accusing or blaming here, just merely thinking out loud.....Would some or a few of these "wider nets" being cast and portal successes be a result of some "behind the scenes" cheating? Again, I'm just curious and am not pointing a finger at anyone specific. However, it does happen and has been going on, from what others have said during this new NIL/Portal recruiting era.

Someone posted either this board or HSN something to the extent, "If you can't beat them, join them!" They were basically saying, "If they are cheating and getting good results, why not do the same?" I don't want anything to do with that type of mentality and I know Woodson and Co. feel the same way. I guess my wish and hope for this staff is to continue work harder that anyone else, but continue to do it honestly and honorably.

I don't know if others have said the same but I'm very much of the mindset of getting it done. We have "cheated" in the past and I'm sure we're doing some grey area stuff at the moment. I believe we have the 100% guaranteed that one of our staff is following a kid from Arkansas that isn't in the portal but that could be in the future. It's all about perspective. Do you really believe IU hasn't talked with kids through back channels who haven't entered the portal?

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1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I think most people's confidence is low right now. But not much we can do as fans.

Is Knecht dead? Haven’t heard anything about him.

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12 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Z played before they moved the 3pt line back, again. 15/16 just had more ppl that could create for others. Zeisloft had a quicker trigger, it served him well. I think Miller was better overall. Miller's effectiveness diminished some when XJ went out. TG/Bates don't have the passing ability or the ability to breakdown a defense like XJ. 

Man we had nice pieces if XJ stays healthy. sucks. 

 

That team didn't have two bigs parked in the lane or throw the ball into the post on every possession. I'm not sure having the 3pt line back a little would have effected Zeisloft's numbers that much, dude was launching when he was open. It'd be interesting to compare the assist numbers between the two squads. Yogi was a big difference maker but TJD and JHS were no slouches finding teammates. That 15/16 team had way more pros on it.

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9 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Is Knecht dead? Haven’t heard anything about him.

It's been reported that he's shutting down his recruitment without having visited IU. It's believed he'll choose between Tennessee and Oregon with Oregon being the likely choice. 

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6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

That team didn't have two bigs parked in the lane or throw the ball into the post on every possession. I'm not sure having the 3pt line back a little would have effected Zeisloft's numbers that much, dude was launching when he was open. It'd be interesting to compare the assist numbers between the two squads. Yogi was a big difference maker but TJD and JHS were no slouches finding teammates. That 15/16 team had way more pros on it.

Of course, moving the line back affects the numbers, it does for everyone. 15/16 was a MUCH better-passing team, as a whole. JHS/TJD should have been the 2nd and 3rd creators on a team, not the 1st+2nd, our #1 went down. 

I actually, vividly remember how many fans on these boards bitched about us NOT throwing the ball in the post. They couldn't handle "a big guy shooting 3s" (Thomas Bryant), among other stupid complaints. 

But.. Zeisloft playing 30-35mpg on this team, instead of Miller Kopp, no I don't think that would have benefited us at all. Having Zeisloft instead of Bates sure as **** would have, though. It's too hard for me to compare the two teams when this one missed one of its horses. 15/16 did CLEARLY have more depth. 

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Just now, go iu bb said:

It's been reported that he's shutting down his recruitment without having visited IU. It's believed he'll choose between Tennessee and Oregon with Oregon being the likely choice. 

Where has that been reported? On a message board post, or on his Twitter/IG etc?

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9 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

That team didn't have two bigs parked in the lane or throw the ball into the post on every possession. I'm not sure having the 3pt line back a little would have effected Zeisloft's numbers that much, dude was launching when he was open. It'd be interesting to compare the assist numbers between the two squads. Yogi was a big difference maker but TJD and JHS were no slouches finding teammates. That 15/16 team had way more pros on it.

It's about overall talent and guard play really. Zeisloft was surrounded by 5 guys that eventually played in the NBA, and that doesn't even include Robert Johnson and JBJ. 

That team was pretty stacked, making a guy like Zeisloft even more valuable. That team had multiple guys that could break a defense down and get a bucket. 

While we certainly need guys like Zeisloft, we need those other pieces (guards and wings that can create and score) much more. 

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1 hour ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Yes, which is why realignment has favored such historically dominant and relevant football programs like Rutgers. C'mon, I know we're down b/c we missed out on a portal recruit from the Ivy League that may or may not have been a big impact, but now we're going to level of IU hanging on by a thread? Expansion and realignment has always been about money, TV markets, overall reach, etc.

Rutgers is seen as a pretty mediocre add. Nobody likes them in the Big Ten except maybe Rutgers.  A quick google search shows they’re in the red, even with the B1Gs giant payout, because they’re nearly last amoung P5 schools in revenue generation like ticket sales and donations. Nobody watches Rutgers athletics in nyc or elsewhere.  
 

In any event, when they were added to the B1G, they had just went to 8 bowls in 9 years. IU has never done that in their entire history.  So wouldn’t say Rutgers would be a desirable add today, either, but at least at the time they looked like a rising program. 
 

Saying conference realignment is about tv and money is essentially saying it is about college football. College football is the #2 most watched sport in the country. College basketball is probably 5th or 6th depending on metric, but I think CFB out earns all other college sports combined.  
 

This has nothing to do with Ledlum (I didn’t think he was even a very good fit). I was responding to someone who said IU should explore leaving the B1G for recruiting purposes. That’s silly. IU would draw very little interest on the open market. We’re lucky to be in one of the two dominant conferences. 
 

There’s a bunch of reasons we haven’t been competitive. Being in the B1G isn’t one of them. As others have pointed out, we could still land some good players. Way too early to start blaming others for our troubles. 

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25 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

That team didn't have two bigs parked in the lane or throw the ball into the post on every possession. I'm not sure having the 3pt line back a little would have effected Zeisloft's numbers that much, dude was launching when he was open. It'd be interesting to compare the assist numbers between the two squads. Yogi was a big difference maker but TJD and JHS were no slouches finding teammates. That 15/16 team had way more pros on it.

I actually watched the season highlights from the 15-16 season. One thing I noticed, Zeisloft, Hartman, Yogi, Johnson were shooting often with guys closing out on them. They were always ready to shoot. A hand in the face was whatever. If there was any space at all, they were shooting. I noticed under Archie and Woodson that guys aren't ready to shoot and shot fake if anyone is coming at them to contest. How many times did we see Kopp shot fake when he could have shot? He's 6-8, there weren't a ton of dudes going to block his shot. But it's as if they are coached to not shoot unless they are WIDE open. Really doesn't make anyone a threat as shooters because there is always a defender close enough to make our guys second guess, rather than just letting it fly when they have the space.

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1 hour ago, JaybobHoosier said:

I totally get people being bummed we didn’t get Ledlum, even when it seemed like he was a lock. Stuff happens and it seems like he changed his mind from everything that was shared. However, while he would have been a very good get, he wasn’t a great shooter, which we sorely need more of.

Hopefully the staff can get in good with some guards who can light it up. However, I’m also excited to see what Gunn and Banks bring this year. I think Woodson and staff have proven enough to warrant some patience from the fan base. I’m not the biggest Woodson supporter but he has done a very nice job up to this point. 

I am one of the biggest Woodson supporters but IMO the 23 class isn't as good as it should be & I don't think we've done a good job in the portal so far. 24 class is going to be a big moment in his tenure. 

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35 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Is Knecht dead? Haven’t heard anything about him.

I have no idea but if we can't get him on campus then I would think so

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Just now, Chris007 said:

I have no idea but if we can't get him on campus then I would think so

Ok, didn’t know if you knew anything more. Thanks.

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6 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Rutgers is seen as a pretty mediocre add. Nobody likes them in the Big Ten except maybe Rutgers.  A quick google search shows they’re in the red, even with the B1Gs giant payout, because they’re nearly last amoung P5 schools in revenue generation like ticket sales and donations. Nobody watches Rutgers athletics in nyc or elsewhere.  
 

In any event, when they were added to the B1G, they had just went to 8 bowls in 9 years. IU has never done that in their entire history.  So wouldn’t say Rutgers would be a desirable add today, either, but at least at the time they looked like a rising program. 
 

Saying conference realignment is about tv and money is essentially saying it is about college football. College football is the #2 most watched sport in the country. College basketball is probably 5th or 6th depending on metric, but I think CFB out earns all other college sports combined.  
 

This has nothing to do with Ledlum (I didn’t think he was even a very good fit). I was responding to someone who said IU should explore leaving the B1G for recruiting purposes. That’s silly. IU would draw very little interest on the open market. We’re lucky to be in one of the two dominant conferences. 
 

There’s a bunch of reasons we haven’t been competitive. Being in the B1G isn’t one of them. As others have pointed out, we could still land some good players. Way too early to start blaming others for our troubles. 

Rutgers wasn't pursued b/c the B1G was after some audience that would tune in to watch Rutgers. Nor were they pursued b/c at the time they might have looked like a rising program. They were pursued b/c the 2 biggest media markets with the largest collective number of B1G alumni outside the then current B1G footprint were NYC and DC. I agree that we should most definitely not be exploring a move to a different conference though. I don't agree that we should feel lucky to be here and wouldn't be appealing if we weren't currently in the B1G.

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23 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Of course, moving the line back affects the numbers, it does for everyone. 15/16 was a MUCH better-passing team, as a whole. JHS/TJD should have been the 2nd and 3rd creators on a team, not the 1st+2nd, our #1 went down. 

I actually, vividly remember how many fans on these boards bitched about us NOT throwing the ball in the post. They couldn't handle "a big guy shooting 3s" (Thomas Bryant), among other stupid complaints. 

But.. Zeisloft playing 30-35mpg on this team, instead of Miller Kopp, no I don't think that would have benefited us at all. Having Zeisloft instead of Bates sure as **** would have, though. It's too hard for me to compare the two teams when this one missed one of its horses. 15/16 did CLEARLY have more depth. 

 

23 minutes ago, BGleas said:

It's about overall talent and guard play really. Zeisloft was surrounded by 5 guys that eventually played in the NBA, and that doesn't even include Robert Johnson and JBJ. 

That team was pretty stacked, making a guy like Zeisloft even more valuable. That team had multiple guys that could break a defense down and get a bucket. 

While we certainly need guys like Zeisloft, we need those other pieces (guards and wings that can create and score) much more. 

Was that the year JBJ went down?

I don't think it would have effected his numbers that much. Would it have effected them some? Probably. The bigger issue was the difference in attempts. Where have we heard this? Looking at the numbers is pretty close to what I thought. Zeisloft a bit better on offense and Kopp slightly better on defense. The offense they played in had a lot to do with that. Maybe Kopp has better numbers playing in Crean's offense but not sure he's that kind of player. Zeisloft had more mobility and think he might have been slightly better off a dribble or two.

Crazy to look at the recruiting rankings and see the differences in the teams. You could argue that the 22/23 team had a little more talent on paper while the 15/16 team had some underrated players.

The 15/16 team didn't just have one big that shot from deep but two!! Was that team a more modern offense than the team 7 years later?