NCAA MBB Transfer Portal

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54 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Some comments on NIL prior and $4/$6 million numbers. Said this before but a company did anonymously research this last fall. P6 conference avg

these are collective or now (which is allowed), direct payments and not external revenue like Cupps social media income) 

- $250k for a starter transfer or existing player 

- $500k for impact player. Top 2 on roster type

- $750k to $1mil - think TJD or Top 5 freshman. Maybe $1.5 for Hunter in open market.

now, think that is interesting for couple reasons. It was reported (if we can believe Trilly types anymore) that Daquan Davis wanted $350k and Sanon wanted $750k. This is why Woody backed off both and lots did from Davis. They wanted more than he knows he can buy an immediate and higher production guy from portal for when they are simultaneously 2000 guys  with 45 days to make a decision. 

Music to some ears, I think he now realizes spend on your returners, get top 75/100 guy cheap and spend big on right portal guys.

if the number is $6 million (maybe more), you can do some fantasy GM stuff and realize that is a big number and can really get a roster with that. 

I would imagine if what happened in basically every professional league happens in NCAA bball, as the NIL money gets bigger the top end players will see their values explode while the $250K players stay pretty stagnant.

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21 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Leroy Jethro Gibbs:  "Never apologize.  It's a sign of weakness."  I'm kidding.  Good post.  Keep'em coming.

John Wayne said it way before that in the movie "She wore a yellow ribbon". One of my favorite lines but it doesn't work at all in my house!  In fact it's probably the exact opposite :-)

[AH1971 1,592]

17 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Per 40 freshman year stats:

PPG:

• Ware 16.8
• Booker 16.9

Rebounds:

• Ware 10.3
• Booker 7.3

Shooting:

• Ware 53% fg, 27% 3pt, 71%ft
• Booker 60% fg, 35% 3pt, 64%ft

Blocks

• Ware 3.3
• Booker 2.4

Not so different at all.

A massive difference, and I say that as a Cathedral alum who has always rooted for Booker. Per 40 is a non-starter here. Booker isn't in the same realm in both the physical or development stage that Ware was in as a freshman. Booker is literally unplayable on a team who doesn't have a front court to begin with. Ware played well when he was given extended minutes in games last year, he was just buoyed behind two good upperclassmen 5's. 

[AH1971 1,592]

17 hours ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Blackmon off the bench, sure. Thornton and pope as our starting guards(examples). That’s the level of player we should be trying to get.

Trying? Sure. Realistically expect to get? No.

 Shooting for Love, Knecht, Dingle (all the coveted portal guards) in the portal is how you end up with a backcourt of Xavier Johnson and Trey Galloway and a subsequent missed tourney. 

You offer Pope and Thornton, you don't go all in on them and neglect a back up plan (see Woodson 2024 recruiting). You're going to have to fill 5-6, maybe 7 spots. 

[AKHoosier 7,063]

9 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Some comments on NIL prior and $4/$6 million numbers. Said this before but a company did anonymously research this last fall. P6 conference avg

these are collective or now (which is allowed), direct payments and not external revenue like Cupps social media income) 

- $250k for a starter transfer or existing player 

- $500k for impact player. Top 2 on roster type

- $750k to $1mil - think TJD or Top 5 freshman. Maybe $1.5 for Hunter in open market.

now, think that is interesting for couple reasons. It was reported (if we can believe Trilly types anymore) that Daquan Davis wanted $350k and Sanon wanted $750k. This is why Woody backed off both and lots did from Davis. They wanted more than he knows he can buy an immediate and higher production guy from portal for when they are simultaneously 2000 guys  with 45 days to make a decision. 

Music to some ears, I think he now realizes spend on your returners, get top 75/100 guy cheap and spend big on right portal guys.

if the number is $6 million (maybe more), you can do some fantasy GM stuff and realize that is a big number and can really get a roster with that. 

Good research. 

Sounds like a pretty good model for the coaches out there who don't have time or ability to develop talent.

[AH1971 1,592]

16 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Google "Accusations or Portal Target Kel'el Ware's Laziness...".  He was given the exact same label coing to IU.

I'm not saying that Booker's effort will improve, but Ware's effort by all accounts wasn't great at Oregon.  Players can change.  I'd certainly prefer a high effort, talented player but the chance that it does improve is there.

His "effort" wasn't great but he was still FAR more playable and further advanced than Booker as a freshman. And it's not particularly close. 

[Demo 20,537]

https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-basketball-transfer-portal-what-to-expect-from-the-2024-cycle-228461240/#2383087
 

Pretty good portal preview article from Branham.

[Uspshoosier 46,529]

The reason why Booker isn’t getting the benefit of the doubt with some and @Class of '66 Old Fart correct me if I’m wrong is because we have followed his high school career and have pointed out these same concerns since his sophomore year.    I didn’t follow ware’s high school career I just went by his Oregon year.   I’ve personally watched Booker score 0 points against way less competition where he probably should have scored 30.  Even as a McDonald’s all American I’ve personally seen his high school coach bench him during a critical part of a game.  Does he have all the tools to be a stud? Yep.   Has he shown the motor to become that stud?   Not yet.    If he does he will be a problem but until then I will have my doubts 

[AH1971 1,592]

6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

The reason why Booker isn’t getting the benefit of the doubt with some and @Class of '66 Old Fart correct me if I’m wrong is because we have followed his high school career and have pointed out these same concerns since his sophomore year.    I didn’t follow ware’s high school career I just went by his Oregon year.   I’ve personally watched Booker score 0 points against way less competition where he probably should have scored 30.  Even as a McDonald’s all American I’ve personally seen his high school coach bench him during a critical part of a game.  Does he have all the tools to be a stud? Yep.   Has he shown the motor to become that stud?   Not yet.    If he does he will be a problem but until then I will have my doubts 

I'll add that Booker's issues at this stage of his career extend far past effort. He's not a guy next year who you can just throw in a lineup for 25-30 mpg and he'll average 15 and 10 if you can somehow get him to play "harder" a la Ware. His ability isn't in the same galaxy as Kel'el Ware.

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21 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

The reason why Booker isn’t getting the benefit of the doubt with some and @Class of '66 Old Fart correct me if I’m wrong is because we have followed his high school career and have pointed out these same concerns since his sophomore year.    I didn’t follow ware’s high school career I just went by his Oregon year.   I’ve personally watched Booker score 0 points against way less competition where he probably should have scored 30.  Even as a McDonald’s all American I’ve personally seen his high school coach bench him during a critical part of a game.  Does he have all the tools to be a stud? Yep.   Has he shown the motor to become that stud?   Not yet.    If he does he will be a problem but until then I will have my doubts 

Here's where I am:

• Both Ware and Booker have next-level ability (Ware has more).
• Both have had their motor questioned, and have been benched because of it.
• Ware was (correctly) assessed by IU as a kid with the right attitude to have his motor vastly improved. Kudos to the staff for being spot-on.
• If Booker is paying attention? What IU did with Ware looks really attractive.
• FINALLY, just because that was true with Ware, does not necessarily make it so with Booker. Because every kid is different. 

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8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Here's where I am:

• Both Ware and Booker have next-level ability (Ware has more).
• Both have had their motor questioned, and have been benched because of it.
• Ware was (correctly) assessed by IU as a kid with the right attitude to have his motor vastly improved. Kudos to the staff for being spot-on.
• If Booker is paying attention? What IU did with Ware looks really attractive.
• FINALLY, just because that was true with Ware, does not necessarily make it so with Booker. Because every kid is different. 

I would agree that Mike Woodson seems to be the kind of coach to get the best out of Booker. I would take Booker but that would have to come with a caveat, he's not promised or guaranteed a starting spot. I do think Booker has the skillset to develop into a really good college player and potential next level player, but it's not going to happen in a season like Ware. Ware was still a projected late first round pick after last season. Booker wouldn't get drafted this year if there were 3 rounds. 

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28 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

The reason why Booker isn’t getting the benefit of the doubt with some and @Class of '66 Old Fart correct me if I’m wrong is because we have followed his high school career and have pointed out these same concerns since his sophomore year.    I didn’t follow ware’s high school career I just went by his Oregon year.   I’ve personally watched Booker score 0 points against way less competition where he probably should have scored 30.  Even as a McDonald’s all American I’ve personally seen his high school coach bench him during a critical part of a game.  Does he have all the tools to be a stud? Yep.   Has he shown the motor to become that stud?   Not yet.    If he does he will be a problem but until then I will have my doubts 

Yup. Seen way too much of it with Booker. Ware’s stay at Oregon had a couple of mitigating factors. His recruiting Asst left before he hit campus. Kid was 2,000 miles from home with no relationships at all, which I’m sure was tough for a kid as reserved as he is. He didn’t connect with Altman in any way. It just didn’t work. My concern with Booker is I just don’t think he likes basketball. My concerns with Ware, and I’ve never been happier to be wrong about a kid in my life, didn’t include that.

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4 minutes ago, Demo said:

Yup. Seen way too much of it with Booker. Ware’s stay at Oregon had a couple of mitigating factors. His recruiting Asst left before he hit campus. Kid was 2,000 miles from home with no relationships at all, which I’m sure was tough for a kid as reserved as he is. He didn’t connect with Altman in any way. It just didn’t work. My concern with Booker is I just don’t think he likes basketball. My concerns with Ware, and I’ve never been happier to be wrong about a kid in my life, didn’t include that.

I think it’s much simpler than that; his game simply doesn’t match his hype.

[Demo 20,537]

It’s funny because it’s true.

[OKHOOSIER 2,963]

Another dumb question…Do we expect the main targets to enter the portal immediately? Is there any benefit to a high value transfer waiting for some dust to settle before announcing their intent?

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29 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Another dumb question…Do we expect the main targets to enter the portal immediately? Is there any benefit to a high value transfer waiting for some dust to settle before announcing their intent?

Mostly depends upon when individual player's seasons end.  Those already jumping in are from teams who have no post-season opportunities.  Few more after conference tournaments end for same reason -- no additional games.  Bigger fish may not start to enter until conclusion of first week of NCAA's.

[RaceToTheTop 26,416]

NBA draft withdrawl deadline isn't until June, correct?  

Will be quite a few guys in the NCAA important to their team and those teams will be going in to the portal not knowing who is coming back or not.

[Hovadipo 56,955]

16 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

NBA draft withdrawl deadline isn't until June, correct?  

Will be quite a few guys in the NCAA important to their team and those teams will be going in to the portal not knowing who is coming back or not.

Entry deadline April 27th, withdrawal June 16th

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7 hours ago, Demo said:

Yup. Seen way too much of it with Booker. Ware’s stay at Oregon had a couple of mitigating factors. His recruiting Asst left before he hit campus. Kid was 2,000 miles from home with no relationships at all, which I’m sure was tough for a kid as reserved as he is. He didn’t connect with Altman in any way. It just didn’t work. My concern with Booker is I just don’t think he likes basketball. My concerns with Ware, and I’ve never been happier to be wrong about a kid in my life, didn’t include that.

I remember when he was in HS there was some article and it seemed to go on and on about other things he liked that weren't related to BB. Not a bad thing to have other interests but I don't recall seeing any similar article about other 5* players. Even before that article, I saw posts on message boards questioning his commitment to an love of basketball.

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2 hours ago, Demo said:

It’s funny because it’s true.

I seriously think that they have someone on staff whose job it is to automatically contacts everyone who enters the portal.