Give Coach Tom Allen a MONSTER extension.

[HoosierDYT 1,748]

Looking at that list I think it’d be difficult to give him more than $5M annually. He’s already over $3M, so maybe just pile on incentives and such?


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[Banksyrules 4,811]

5 hours ago, rcs29 said:

I predict a sold out Memorial Stadium in game 1 of 2021 season.

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I might actually fly in for that.  

[JaybobHoosier 11,843]

With the extension/raise he got last yr he is currently the 33rd highest paid coach in the country. I don’t see the school having an issue with bumping him higher if need be. His buyout as of 12/1 is $20 million, that’s the 14th highest in the country.
 
Unless the numbers from USA Today are wrong, if so ignore everything I posted lol
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
 
 
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I’m sure it’s wrong since you posted it!


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[mdn82 25,510]

4 hours ago, HoosierDYT said:

Looking at that list I think it’d be difficult to give him more than $5M annually. He’s already over $3M, so maybe just pile on incentives and such?


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I think it would honestly mean more to him if he got $500,000 extra for assistants to split up.  I didn’t realize his raise put him to there.  Good for him.  Definitely deserved and earned.  

[Stuhoo 80,889]

Bump the buyout to ONE BILLION DOLLARS!

(Edited to add well-warranted picture)

[JaybobHoosier 11,843]

Bump the buyout to ONE BILLION DOLLARS!

Did you say that with your pinky to your mouth? ;)


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[Naturalhoosier 15,434]

Womack’s name popped up for the South Alabama job.  Pay these men!!!  I’d like to see the band stay together for a few years before they are poached.

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Article/South-Alabama-coaching-search-Big-name-assistants-could-want-Jaguars-job-Tennessee-Volunteers-Notre-Dame-football-156282943/?fbclid=IwAR1g__54vngddTm6AsfvMCmPNK17U4Tdy1-uiBEAJO2tepm_lg-SPMevkY0

[Stuhoo 80,889]

3 minutes ago, Naturalhoosier said:

Womack’s name popped up for the South Alabama job.  Pay these men!!!  I’d like to see the band stay together for a few years before they are poached.

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Article/South-Alabama-coaching-search-Big-name-assistants-could-want-Jaguars-job-Tennessee-Volunteers-Notre-Dame-football-156282943/?fbclid=IwAR1g__54vngddTm6AsfvMCmPNK17U4Tdy1-uiBEAJO2tepm_lg-SPMevkY0

 

Womack and Sheridan will not be around long, nor should we expect them to be.

But, LOTS of assistants will want to be a part of the culture that CTA has established.

All good times ahead--not much that could change that sunny scenario!

 

[Naturalhoosier 15,434]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Womack and Sheridan will not be around long, nor should we expect them to be.

But, LOTS of assistants will want to be a part of the culture that CTA has established.

All good times ahead--not much that could change that sunny scenario!

 

I don’t disagree. But I don’t want to see the Coordinator role become a revolving door. Some continuity would be nice. 

[Stuhoo 80,889]

25 minutes ago, Naturalhoosier said:

I don’t disagree. But I don’t want to see the Coordinator role become a revolving door. Some continuity would be nice. 

 

Classic Catch-22. We want our assistants to be so successful that no one notices how successful they are.

 

[Josh 12,645]

23 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Womack and Sheridan will not be around long, nor should we expect them to be.

But, LOTS of assistants will want to be a part of the culture that CTA has established.

All good times ahead--not much that could change that sunny scenario!

 

Agreed.  It stinks, but it's a part of having a successful football program.  If people don't want to hire your coaches away, you probably suck.

Another sunny thought, didn't Tom Allen recruit these kids more than the assistants?   Good days ahead

[rcbowla 7,125]

The DC position doesn't worry me as much as the OC. Tom Allen is defensive minded and will choose an assistant he trusts. OC is the one I'd like to have continuity with. I think we have Sheridan at least one more year but all bets are off with Wommack

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[mdn82 25,510]

4 hours ago, Naturalhoosier said:

Womack’s name popped up for the South Alabama job.  Pay these men!!!  I’d like to see the band stay together for a few years before they are poached.

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Article/South-Alabama-coaching-search-Big-name-assistants-could-want-Jaguars-job-Tennessee-Volunteers-Notre-Dame-football-156282943/?fbclid=IwAR1g__54vngddTm6AsfvMCmPNK17U4Tdy1-uiBEAJO2tepm_lg-SPMevkY0

I think what I hope is we pay them enough where the South Alabama’s of the world aren’t what intrigues our coordinators.  You look at assistants from consistent schools and their position coaches aren’t for long, but the coordinators are waiting on that named position.  After the year we have had I hope if they leave it’s for a power 5 bump up.  

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1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

I think what I hope is we pay them enough where the South Alabama’s of the world aren’t what intrigues our coordinators.  You look at assistants from consistent schools and their position coaches aren’t for long, but the coordinators are waiting on that named position.  After the year we have had I hope if they leave it’s for a power 5 bump up.  

Exactly. I want us to be at the point where guys are only able to be lured away by a power 5 head coaching gig. 

[Bobman1 2,909]

Don’t have much to say other than the last few posts hit it home. A good program has OCs that are constantly looked at by other schools but only willing to leave for a power 5 HC gig. Also, Allen has had great defenses since he’s been at IU and that side of the ball is something I’ll always be confident in. Sheridan will stick around another year likely but hopefully future OCs will be lured to IU to coach under Allen with some talented offensive guys.


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[JaybobHoosier 11,843]

Don’t have much to say other than the last few posts hit it home. A good program has OCs that are constantly looked at by other schools but only willing to leave for a power 5 HC gig. Also, Allen has had great defenses since he’s been at IU and that side of the ball is something I’ll always be confident in. Sheridan will stick around another year likely but hopefully future OCs will be lured to IU to coach under Allen with some talented offensive guys.


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Agreed!


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[Lebowski 2,744]

If this success continues we need to get used to the revolving door.  Part of CTA's job is hiring the proper folk for his team. 

Regarding OC, last year he hit a grand slam with the Kalen DeBoer hire.  He was gone in one year.  A couple years before he got on base a few times with the Mike DeBord hire.  This year's hire has been an awesome internal hire that kept continuity.  However, that will not be the normal.  Nick Sheridan will most likely move on the greener pastures after this season.  Money talks.  It's nothing personal, it's business. Something to think about, Kalen DeBoer was getting paid 800k for that one year IU.

Some folks here have hit the nail on the head.  Here's a prime example.  IU's last HC was paid roughly 1.3 million for 5 years.  The only exception was his last year at IU where he was getting paid 2.3 million.  He's now getting paid 1.2 million to the be the OC at OSU.  IU's current OC is getting paid 450k.  You can see the stark difference here and the revolving door will happen should the success continue.  Being able to make the right hires in order to reload so to speak will require a nice lure to entice established coaches.  That's why you see fired power 5 HC going back to being the coordinator coach he specialized in that got him the HC in the first place at the top programs in the nation.

I just provided the example of OC.  CTA has to do this with every single coach on his staff.  And I didn't even go into the Coach Mike Hart's of the team.  

If the athletic department is real about wanting this program to be top tier it will have to compete with the top tier programs at the administrative level as well.  I will say to be fair, when Kevin Wilson got hired by OSU his base salary for his first year there was 650k. (If I had to bet the baggage Wilson brought to OSU also played a part in the salary negations.)  So if you compare that to what IU paid DeBoer's first and only year, 800k, you can see IU is actually going in the right direction here. 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

43 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

If this success continues we need to get used to the revolving door.  Part of CTA's job is hiring the proper folk for his team. 

Regarding OC, last year he hit a grand slam with the Kalen DeBoer hire.  He was gone in one year.  A couple years before he got on base a few times with the Mike DeBord hire.  This year's hire has been an awesome internal hire that kept continuity.  However, that will not be the normal.  Nick Sheridan will most likely move on the greener pastures after this season.  Money talks.  It's nothing personal, it's business. Something to think about, Kalen DeBoer was getting paid 800k for that one year IU.

Some folks here have hit the nail on the head.  Here's a prime example.  IU's last HC was paid roughly 1.3 million for 5 years.  The only exception was his last year at IU where he was getting paid 2.3 million.  He's now getting paid 1.2 million to the be the OC at OSU.  IU's current OC is getting paid 450k.  You can see the stark difference here and the revolving door will happen should the success continue.  Being able to make the right hires in order to reload so to speak will require a nice lure to entice established coaches.  That's why you see fired power 5 HC going back to being the coordinator coach he specialized in that got him the HC in the first place at the top programs in the nation.

I just provided the example of OC.  CTA has to do this with every single coach on his staff.  And I didn't even go into the Coach Mike Hart's of the team.  

If the athletic department is real about wanting this program to be top tier it will have to compete with the top tier programs at the administrative level as well.  I will say to be fair, when Kevin Wilson got hired by OSU his base salary for his first year there was 650k. (If I had to bet the baggage Wilson brought to OSU also played a part in the salary negations.)  So if you compare that to what IU paid DeBoer's first and only year, 800k, you can see IU is actually going in the right direction here. 

Development of position coaches is important to factor in too.  Hopefully, we have those position coaches, especially in a year like COVID-2020, learning from the coordinators.  This would allow someone like Hart to step up in the coming years.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,774]

Zach Osterman of the Indpls. Star:  What IU football's success means in dollars and cents for Tom Allen, Hoosiers coaches

 Indiana football's win at Wisconsin could vault the Hoosiers into the College Football Playoff ranking top 10 Tuesday night. It also came at a price. 

The Hoosiers’ victory in Madison, their sixth of the pandemic-shortened season, triggered the first round of incentivized bonuses written into the contracts of Tom Allen’s staff. Reaching that milestone promises all 10 assistants, as well as head strength coach Aaron Wellman, a $20,000 bonus payable by mid-February, a total outlay of $220,000, per documents obtained via records request by IndyStar.

There is no specific bonus contained within Allen’s contract triggered by a sixth win, but Allen is in line to receive $100,000 for qualifying for a bowl game. That bonus has likely been assured for some time, as every team is bowl eligible this season. But Saturday’s win firmly entrenched the Hoosiers into the Big Ten’s top four, handing them a path to a New Year’s Six game and likely protecting them from further bowl cancellations. 

These specific bonuses should not be ruled out by spending restrictions in place to manage budget shortfalls caused by the ongoing pandemic. A memo distributed in June, during IU’s first round of departmental cutbacks, called for a halt on discretionary bonuses. These bonuses, contractually obligated, are not affected by that halt. 

Per individual contracts, each IU assistant is due a $20,000 bonus for a sixth win, a further $2,500 for wins seven and eight, and a $5,000 bonus for each thereafter, beginning with win No. 9. 

There are also further bonuses in play for Allen, as Indiana’s national profile rises in 2020. 

► He would receive $200,000 if the Hoosiers qualify for a New Year’s Six bowl, something they could be in line to do depending upon results over the next two weeks. Most major bowl projections currently see the Hoosiers landing in the Fiesta Bowl, which would trigger that bonus. 

► Allen also receives $50,000 if IU wins its bowl game, whatever that game may be.

► He’s owed $50,000 if he’s named Big Ten coach of the year, and $100,000 if he’s named national coach of the year. Both award-related bonuses are specific to a handful of major conference or national honors, and can only be awarded once (i.e. Allen would not receive multiple $50,000 bonuses for being named Big Ten coach of the year by both the conference coaches and media). 

► The Hoosiers currently appear a long shot to reach the College Football Playoff, but were Indiana to qualify for the Final Four, Allen would be in line for a $250,000 bonus for a playoff appearance, $350,000 for a national championship game appearance and $400,000 for winning a national title. 

Those bonuses are not cumulative. The highest finish would apply. 

Additionally, qualifying for a bowl game would add a year onto the end of Allen’s current contract, which currently runs through 2026. Every bowl appearance IU makes during the course of his current deal automatically extends the contract by an additional year. 

Allen and his staff all signed new contracts after last season. All 10 assistants are under contract through 2022, as is Wellman.

Wellman — one of the country’s highest-paid strength coaches, whose official title rates him a senior assistant athletic director — is also entitled to the same bonuses. That’s the result of a stipulation added to Allen’s second contract, signed after last season, allowing IU’s coach to classify the position of head strength-and-conditioning coach in the same way he would a fully-fledged assistant. Wellman is not a countable coach for purposes including off-campus recruiting and on-field coaching in certain settings, but Indiana, under conditions granted Allen, can offer him a contract including assistant-level terms, bonuses and compensation. 

Strength and conditioning have been a priority for Allen since he became head coach in Bloomington. He believes deep investment in player development can help IU narrow the gap to Big Ten teams that often recruit at a higher level than the Hoosiers. 

[Bobman1 2,909]

Development of position coaches is important to factor in too.  Hopefully, we have those position coaches, especially in a year like COVID-2020, learning from the coordinators.  This would allow someone like Hart to step up in the coming years.

WR Coach Heard is also the passing game coordinator and I feel he’s done a terrific job with the receivers. Coached with CTA at Ole Miss I believe and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him become the offensive head guy if Sheridan leaves eventually.


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