Are We Better Than Last Year?

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

Yes, I'm still watching.  If I quit, I'm a quitter.

I'm an alumnus who will always want us to do well and will demand change when we are not.

Complacency is accepting and defending mediocre results.  

Good luck.   Watching something that should bring you joy shouldn’t make you miserable.  Hopefully it changes for you

so basically you coming on here and demanding change each year is some sort of therapy for you so you don’t get complacent 

[Josh]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Good luck.   Watching something that should bring you joy shouldn’t make you miserable.  Hopefully it changes for you

so basically you coming on here and demanding change each year is some sort of therapy for you so you don’t get complacent 

Nah, I'm trying to rally the troops to see the light.  I'm preaching to grow the crowd to run this dude out of town. 

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, Josh said:

Nah, I'm trying to rally the troops to see the light.  I'm preaching to grow the crowd to run this dude out of town. 

Good luck 

[JaybobHoosier]

Nah, I'm trying to rally the troops to see the light.  I'm preaching to grow the crowd to run this dude out of town. 

Just curious, are you drunk? I get being mad and frustrated, you just seem more than amped after this loss.


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[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, JaybobHoosier said:

 

Just curious, are you drunk? I get being mad and frustrated, you just seem more than amped after this loss.


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Maybe he’s had a few Red Bull and mezcal cocktails?

[Josh]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Good luck 

Thanks!

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

 

Just curious, are you drunk? I get being mad and frustrated, you just seem more than amped after this loss.


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Really not.  Just responding to responses to me

[Josh]

Just now, Josh said:

Really not.  Just responding to responses to me

 

3 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

 

Just curious, are you drunk? I get being mad and frustrated, you just seem more than amped after this loss.


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But yes, really frustrated.

[Uspshoosier]

6 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

 

Just curious, are you drunk? I get being mad and frustrated, you just seem more than amped after this loss.


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I don’t think he is this time but he has been on a late night drunk posting rampage in the past 

[JaybobHoosier]

But yes, really frustrated.

Trust me, I get it and I’m half-way off the bandwagon. I’ve talked with several IU fans that I think Archie’s stubbornness of offense will most likely be his undoing. However, I just can’t totally get the bad shooting. Our team has decent and okay shooters, but when they get here it all disappears.....

Either way, try to relax and let’s see how this year plays out. This is a make or break for Archie because if this sort of offense continues, the recruiting will fall hard and results will get worse.


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[Josh]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I don’t think he is this time but he has been on a late night drunk posting rampage in the past 

True.  I gave up a lot of bad habits in 2020.  Hoping to kick one more named Archie lol

[HoosierAloha]

I was thinking about this as I was prepping for my law final exam later this week...

Trayce mentioned something about a discussion he had with Archie about returning fir his sophomore year. I believe Archie told him he would have to play like an All-America if he returned. What has happened to that drive to be an All-America...? The talk is easy, the walk is much harder.

This team will go as Trayce goes. If he starts playing like an All-America baller it’ll make it easier for those around him. Let’s see how he responds after two subpar games.

This team did more than enough on the defense to win this game. Texas didn’t get a lot of easy looks. The problem was complacency on offense.

Man up and respond with a better and more disciplined effort tomorrow.


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[craigyv88]

I still have some hope for this staff to get something going and keep it going, but today was the 15th loss by 15 points or more under CAM.  Losses of this magnitude occurred 5 times in the first season, 5 times in the second season, 4 times last season, and once already this season.  Also, we understand that 3 pt shooting is bad but the national rankings really do show how much of a liability that has been for us:

Season 1: 315th

Season 2: 317th

Season 3: 219th (thanks Devonte vs Florida St & Iowa)

It's a small sample size so far, but through 3 games we've already been routed once and are shooting 27.9% as a team from 3.  Until the competitiveness is more consistent and the shooting is better I'm afraid the ceiling for improvement versus last year and before is not that high.

[DChoosier]

2 hours ago, Treesh said:

1: A rebuild is going to take time. A rebuild that was much needed after Crean left us with NOTHING. 

I agree that Crean did not leave a lot but look what Crean inherited. We all agree he was a bad coach, in regards to recruiting/defense/substitutions/etc.etc.etc but in year four he was in the sweet 16. A “bad” coach inherited 2 walk-ons and had Indiana in the sweet 16 in 4 years. What is a reasonable expectation for Archie?

Returning players on Creans first team:

Kyle Tabor

Brett Finkelmeier

That is unimaginably bad....

Returning players on Archie’s “NOTHING” first team

Juwan Morgan

Freddie McSwain
Zach McRoberts
Colin Hartman

Robert Johnson

Josh Newkrik

Devonte Green

FAR, FAR from a great roster but way above what Crean inherited. Also, that inherited roster was 9-9 in conference play and came in 6th in the BT both of which have  been the best of Archie’s 3 years.
 

[lillurk]

I think one thing the Archie defenders fail to grapple with: lots of sustainable turnarounds start with *even less* inherited than Arch did and have things going the right way by year 3/4 or even sooner. Does one game mean the season is over? Of course not! But the offensive scheme is still poor and the shooting is poorer. Three of the four guys who’ve grown the most under Arch (Juwan, Al, Justin, Race?) were actually recruited by Crean.

I’d add that the specific recruitment/development player type failure, beyond shooting generally, is the sort of big guard/wing bucket getter that you can center an offense around. Just haven’t gotten or developed one, except Romeo. 

[Stuhoo]

Whoever said “way too soon to tell” early in this thread?

Nailed it.

[Hoosier Guy]

We’ll know a little more after today’s game against Stanford. If IU looks bad again today, it could really spiral down the drain

[coonhounds]

We’ll know a little more after today’s game against Stanford. If IU looks bad again today, it could really spiral down the drain

I am preparing for the worst. I seen nothing to indicate yesterday wont be repeated unless Stanford let's us get easy layups like providence did. Holding out hope [emoji120]

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

8 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I agree that Crean did not leave a lot but look what Crean inherited. We all agree he was a bad coach, in regards to recruiting/defense/substitutions/etc.etc.etc but in year four he was in the sweet 16. A “bad” coach inherited 2 walk-ons and had Indiana in the sweet 16 in 4 years. What is a reasonable expectation for Archie?

Returning players on Creans first team:

Kyle Tabor

Brett Finkelmeier

That is unimaginably bad....

Returning players on Archie’s “NOTHING” first team

Juwan Morgan

Freddie McSwain
Zach McRoberts
Colin Hartman

Robert Johnson

Josh Newkrik

Devonte Green

FAR, FAR from a great roster but way above what Crean inherited. Also, that inherited roster was 9-9 in conference play and came in 6th in the BT both of which have  been the best of Archie’s 3 years.
 

Not only a Sweet 16 but we were ranked most of the season. Crean had many problems obviously and should have been fired, but this is Archie's 4th year. Everyone on this team is his. I think Race is the only dude whoever went to a Crean practice. Whatever system Archie is trying to run, needs to just be thrown in the trash because it's absolute garbage. He shouldn't make it past this season. Time to start looking for a replacement. 

[pumpfake]

Odd thoughts (h/t to the late Bob Collins):

- While listening to the game yesterday, I thought "man, I think I actually would prefer a team that scores easily but defends poorly over this perennial bad to mediocre shooting."  Either that, or be an absolute lockdown defensive team.  Generally watching our games over the past three years have been mostly frustrating.

- Sometimes we need to try to be more objective (as difficult as it may be) about the status of the program.  I mean, the experts have picked us to finish in the bottom half of conference every year and as bitter a pill as it is, they've been correct.  Rivalries aside, I get the impression our conference opponents don't respect Archie's coaching ability.  Heck, we hate purdue and they haven't been to a FF since the 70's, but most IU fans will acknowledge that Painter is a good coach.

- As someone mentioned earlier regarding Crean and S16 loss to Syracuse, there is a bit of a deja vu feeling.  Remember how a couple of years in advance it was said the Indiana HS class of 2017 (?) was loaded and we needed to cash in big time?  Same thing seems to have happened with the '21 class.  Our out of state recruiting has been disappointing.

- Disappointing is a good word for my attitude toward CAM.  Coming in, I thought he'd be an outstanding coach and put a hard-nosed team on the floor.  For whatever reason, that hasn't come close to  panning out.  I admit to being somewhat flummoxed - I think Archie is a quality coach, but some things don't seem to be changing with his teams here (poor FT shooting, anemic offense, etc).  I don't think he will or should be canned yet, but the honeymoon period is over IMO, we have to see improvements in results - finishing toward the top in conference, being competitive against good teams every time we play one, and a good style of play and execution.

That is all.  The season isn't lost, and time will tell how much this team has improved over last year.