Bracketology and Team Resumes

[Uspshoosier]

Taking a deeper dive into the resumes and the more I look at IU’s the more I think they have an uphill battle getting in with only 1 more win.    IU is 11-12 against the top 3 Quads.  Only winning 1 more game and losing the next and their record is still under .500 against the top 3 Quads.  History isn’t great for teams with losing records against the top 3 Quads.  Add in non con sos around 315 and that’s not a great combination.  Louisiana who has had a terrible year can continue to make s run in the Sun Belt maybe they get their net to a Q3 which would be big.   

if you believe in conspiracies that committee is all about money then these won’t matter and if IU is close to the cut line they find a way to get them in 
 

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

  

if you believe in conspiracies that committee is all about money then these won’t matter and if IU is close to the cut line they find a way to get them in 
 

Asking for friends:

What if you believe in that conspiracy, but also believe in the conspiracy that “the NCAA hates IU ahhhhrrgghhhhhaaahh!!”

[HoosierHoopster]

We just need to win 2 and end the BS, 2 should get us in, 1 prob won’t, and fwiw it all started with Woodson benching half the team ag NWU. Still think that was a terrible decision, still think it may have effectively kept us out of the tourney, but win 2 and it shouldn’t matter

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

We just need to win 2 and end the BS, 2 should get us in, 1 prob won’t, and fwiw it all started with Woodson benching half the team ag NWU. Still think that was a terrible decision, still think it may have effectively kept us out of the tourney, but win 2 and it shouldn’t matter

You could argue it started when they blew a 22 pt lead on the road to a team that is projected to be a top 3 seed.   

[Uspshoosier]

 

[Uspshoosier]

https://www.ncaa.com/_flysystem/public-s3/images/2022/02/13/2021-22 Principles and Procedures.pdf

[BtownStrength]

Memphis putting a hurt on Houston. Sh!t

[lillurk]

22 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

We just need to win 2 and end the BS, 2 should get us in, 1 prob won’t, and fwiw it all started with Woodson benching half the team ag NWU. Still think that was a terrible decision, still think it may have effectively kept us out of the tourney, but win 2 and it shouldn’t matter

Without knowing the full histories and situation, including team rules, prior violations, etc. it’s hard for me to say definitively it was the wrong choice, and even if it was, the two UW games and @OSU loom as larger missed opportunities. (Yesterday’s game was a missed chance, of course, but unlike the three I mentioned IU just played well and lost a close one, didn’t blow a 90% or more win probability.)

I may have posted this once but to me the question about the NW game is whether a serious but lesser punishment would’ve been adequate. Again, we may never know the situation well enough to be sure. But I wonder if the punishment had been sitting a half — at least in most cases, maybe someone who’d already sat a half for something earlier in the year sits all game — if we pull that out.

IU was up four at the half, pushed it higher to start the second, and I assume having all the suspended guys (minus maybe PStew in my scenario) is enough. 

[str8baller]

40 minutes ago, lillurk said:

Without knowing the full histories and situation, including team rules, prior violations, etc. it’s hard for me to say definitively it was the wrong choice, and even if it was, the two UW games and @OSU loom as larger missed opportunities. (Yesterday’s game was a missed chance, of course, but unlike the three I mentioned IU just played well and lost a close one, didn’t blow a 90% or more win probability.)

I may have posted this once but to me the question about the NW game is whether a serious but lesser punishment would’ve been adequate. Again, we may never know the situation well enough to be sure. But I wonder if the punishment had been sitting a half — at least in most cases, maybe someone who’d already sat a half for something earlier in the year sits all game — if we pull that out.

IU was up four at the half, pushed it higher to start the second, and I assume having all the suspended guys (minus maybe PStew in my scenario) is enough. 

I don’t know anybody can say it was the wrong decision without knowing the details. 
 

Also, why is everyone assuming we would have won had the other guys played?  Odds are we would have lost anyways. 

[lillurk]

6 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I don’t know anybody can say it was the wrong decision without knowing the details. 
 

Also, why is everyone assuming we would have won had the other guys played?  Odds are we would have lost anyways. 

I mean the argument is in my post which you quoted — didn’t play great but still led into the second half. Foul trouble, running out of gas, bad game from TJD…still took it down to the wire. No guarantee, of course, but doesn’t seem a stretch that Johnson specifically, and depth more generally, would’ve been the difference.

[Indiana muskie]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

You could argue it started when they blew a 22 pt lead on the road to a team that is projected to be a top 3 seed.   

Should of made that game up that got canceled.

[Gnet550]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

We just need to win 2 and end the BS, 2 should get us in, 1 prob won’t, and fwiw it all started with Woodson benching half the team ag NWU. Still think that was a terrible decision, still think it may have effectively kept us out of the tourney, but win 2 and it shouldn’t matter

Such a terrible decision to make players follow rules…I mean in society everyone wants to be excluded from them. Might as well make our team be the same…not. How about be mad at the players for a “terrible” decision instead of the coach.

[str8baller]

1 hour ago, lillurk said:

I mean the argument is in my post which you quoted — didn’t play great but still led into the second half. Foul trouble, running out of gas, bad game from TJD…still took it down to the wire. No guarantee, of course, but doesn’t seem a stretch that Johnson specifically, and depth more generally, would’ve been the difference.

Sure. If you ignore the rest of our season that makes sense in a vacuum. The problem is we didn’t really win on the road in the B1G. We lost a million close games at full strength—mainly because of guys like Johnson. More likely than not, that game is a loss no matter the roster. 

[BtownStrength]

I would bet Michigan and Memphis both secured bids today. The bubble is shrinking. 

[Hoosierfan1901]

4 minutes ago, BtownStrength said:

I would bet Michigan and Memphis both secured bids today. The bubble is shrinking. 

I think we are done in my opinion, maybe 10% we get in regarding a B10 run

[NashvilleHoosier]

5 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I feel like Michigan losing today has become pretty pivotal. If they were to win at OSU today, they'd go into our game (provided MSU beats Maryland) 17-13, 11-9 with 5 quad 1 wins and a combined 8-12 quad 1/2 record. Even if we were to beat them on Thursday, if the committee were comparing resumes, Michigan would probably still have the higher NET, more quality wins, finished higher in conference. We'd only have more wins, and the fact that Michigan would fall below the dreaded 4 games above .500. Would the committee look at head to head and value their road victory (trouncing) over our neutral court win? 

Don't mind me, I'm just over here agonizing over every doomsday scenario and how we could have avoided it this morning. Nice little Sunday.

Yeah, this is totally going to happen. We have to win 2. Especially since CBS is awarding Michigan 2 wins today. 

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, BtownStrength said:

I would bet Michigan and Memphis both secured bids today. The bubble is shrinking. 

Michigan didn’t help but Loyola did.  

[Uspshoosier]

Nebraska winning today probably gives IU another Q2 win tomorrow 

[RaceToTheTop]

32 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Nebraska winning today probably gives IU another Q2 win tomorrow 

Michigan win might push that loss up to a quad 1.  Rutgers win over Penn State....may or may not move that loss to a quad 2.  They were at a NET of 76 entering today.

[NashvilleHoosier]

At this point would we rather play MSU or michigan? We have to win no matter what and I’m feeling like our chances are better against MSU. And since I’m still hung up on this, I’m not sure a W vs. Michigan puts us ahead of them anymore.