Ed Schilling Leaving, Mike Roberts Arriving

[Stuhoo]

16 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

So you would be cool with Archie if he made the tournament the next 3 years with two of those going 21-14 and one year of 24 wins and getting two wins in the tournament? Good to know that’s what you feel respectable is heading into this. Me thinks you wouldn’t feel that is respectable for us.

 

 

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I guess that given Iugradman's expectations of 21-14 twice and 24-10 once over the next three years, I am now in the camp of accusing Iugradman of settling for standards well-beneath what is expected of the IU basketball program.

For shame; I expect better than that!  ;)

 

[yogisballin]

3 hours ago, mdn82 said:

So you would be cool with Archie if he made the tournament the next 3 years with two of those going 21-14 and one year of 24 wins and getting two wins in the tournament? Good to know that’s what you feel respectable is heading into this. Me thinks you wouldn’t feel that is respectable for us.

 

 

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I was kind of wondering the same myself after I looked it up

[mdn82]

That’s a hell of a lot better than 18-16, 16-15, 19-16 and ZERO NCAA tournament appearances.

Archie has two of those unless you are blaming him for Crean too. We all know your frustrations with Archie are only solely on his time only at IU. So I wondered considering you gave Beilein 5 years. Under that premise he has to make the tournament the next three years. To make Gradman happy he has to go 21-14, 21-14, and 24-10. Hopefully we can do that. I want to see you happy with respectable records that you set. That would be 3 out of 5 years with the records they were that you said made that program respectable.

 

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[Stuhoo]

13 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Archie has two of those unless you are blaming him for Crean too. We all know your frustrations with Archie are only solely on his time only at IU. So I wondered considering you gave Beilein 5 years. Under that premise he has to make the tournament the next three years. To make Gradman happy he has to go 21-14, 21-14, and 24-10. Hopefully we can do that. I want to see you happy with respectable records that you set. That would be 3 out of 5 years with the records they were that you said made that program respectable.

 

[Stuhoo]

On 8/1/2019 at 12:28 PM, Fkfootball1 said:

Maybe it’s just his demeanor...I just don’t feel a real sense of urgency in this program. Archie seems to always be on cruise control. 

 

 

I asked Caleb Love to decscribe his final six head coaches in one word:
Roy Williams-Amazing
Bill Self-Cool
Archie Miller-Passionate
Cuonzo Martin-Genuine
Sean Miller-Confident
Chris Mack-Consistent

@caleb2love

Paul Biancardi

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

 

I asked Caleb Love to decscribe his final six head coaches in one word:

Roy Williams-Amazing

Bill Self-Cool

Archie Miller-Passionate

Cuonzo Martin-Genuine

Sean Miller-Confident

Chris Mack-Consistent

@caleb2love

 

Paul Biancardi

But he doesn't show it in public (blue font)

 

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[Brass Cannon]

14 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

But he doesn't show it in public (blue font)

 

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Is Archie sending Crean style DMs?

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Is Archie sending Crean style DMs?

He is obviously showing the passion to recruits. We, as fans, aren't privy to that. If he wasn't passionate, I doubt Love would have said it.

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[Old Friend]

10 hours ago, Iugradman said:

That’s a hell of a lot better than 18-16, 16-15, 19-16 and ZERO NCAA tournament appearances.

His players have played exactly one season at Indiana.   And he learned from that experience with a couple of them already gone.  Last season, Indiana played with a freshman who really didn't have his game because of injuries and sights set to the next level (his not playing at all in the NIT was embarrassing); another freshman point guard who physically missed 6 games and probably played less than himself another 10, so Indiana was forced to play with guards incapable (until later) of running a team or guarding at the Big Ten level; an under-sized post player and no depth in the front court.

I don't know about anyone else, but I saw effort improve late in the season.   I saw an almost unbelievable to me metamorphosis of DeVonte Green.   I saw a group of players who didn't fit here (and may have at Dayton) leave the program.   I see a very successful focus on in state recruiting.   I see the addition of Joey Brunk a HUGE positive.  i see  Jackson-Davis and Franklin as kids who will contribute immediately and likely stay for at least 3 seasons.  (Get old and stay old....I'm all over that philosophy)  And I see the departure of the 5* kid with the alternate agenda as addition by subtraction. Very good player and apparently a decent kid; bad fit.  It happens.  Still had to recruit him.   

I see Indiana as a program on the rise, and I believe this season will show dramatic improvement in many areas, and I do think we make the NCAA Tournament.  I sincerely believe - using eyeball test only - I saw growth last season, I could almost see Archie learning.    I do wish he'd hire Michael Lewis away and bring him to Bloomington, though.  And in 2 years, bring Taylor Wayer back.    That kid is going to be fantastic as a college coach if he wants to be.

[barrettballer]

I don’t really understand the narrative that Archie isn’t passionate. You don’t have to be a cheerleader, jumping up and down on tv to be passionate about the program. He’s finding kids that want to be here truly. Before this year we didn’t really have ambassadors to the brand that were on the team. TJD alone will recruit every kid that gets an IU offer. Galloway is recruiting Dawson Garcia and Lander for us already. This hasn’t been happening in the last 10 years. Archie may not be showing his passion about the program on camera, but it’s there and he is landing kids that have the same passion and want to be here.

 

 

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[Tak42]

I don’t really understand the narrative that Archie isn’t passionate. You don’t have to be a cheerleader, jumping up and down on tv to be passionate about the program. He’s finding kids that want to be here truly. Before this year we didn’t really have ambassadors to the brand that were on the team. TJD alone will recruit every kid that gets an IU offer. Galloway is recruiting Dawson Garcia and Lander for us already. This hasn’t been happening in the last 10 years. Archie may not be showing his passion about the program on camera, but it’s there and he is landing kids that have the same passion and want to be here.
 
 
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I agree. Romeo didn’t want to come to IU. Glad he did. He was here to go through the motion.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

We need a timeline update for an announcement from our own 007 if he has one he can share.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

I don’t really understand the narrative that Archie isn’t passionate. You don’t have to be a cheerleader, jumping up and down on tv to be passionate about the program. He’s finding kids that want to be here truly. Before this year we didn’t really have ambassadors to the brand that were on the team. TJD alone will recruit every kid that gets an IU offer. Galloway is recruiting Dawson Garcia and Lander for us already. This hasn’t been happening in the last 10 years. Archie may not be showing his passion about the program on camera, but it’s there and he is landing kids that have the same passion and want to be here.
 
 
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This. You said it more eloquently than I did.

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

And some think the timing of Schilling's departure was awkward.  How would you like to be in Walter McCarty's position at Evansville losing 2 assistants within the past weeek.  And somewhat interesting is the fact they were both Butler connected --  Matthew Graves and Todd Lickliter.

https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/college/evansville/2019/08/03/another-evansville-assistant-basketball-coach-leaves-program/1892555001/

[Josh]

4 hours ago, barrettballer said:

I don’t really understand the narrative that Archie isn’t passionate. You don’t have to be a cheerleader, jumping up and down on tv to be passionate about the program. He’s finding kids that want to be here truly. Before this year we didn’t really have ambassadors to the brand that were on the team. TJD alone will recruit every kid that gets an IU offer. Galloway is recruiting Dawson Garcia and Lander for us already. This hasn’t been happening in the last 10 years. Archie may not be showing his passion about the program on camera, but it’s there and he is landing kids that have the same passion and want to be here.

 

 

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You don't think we've had players that wanted to be here truly or recruited others in the last 10 years?????

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 hours ago, Josh said:

You don't think we've had players that wanted to be here truly or recruited others in the last 10 years?????

Well we had Noah Vonleh recruiting against IU because Crean was so bad. 

[Josh]

27 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Well we had Noah Vonleh recruiting against IU because Crean was so bad. 

Ok, and Archie has had transfers that didn't like him.  But the original question remains.

You don't think we've had players that wanted to be here truly or recruited others in the last 10 years?

[Old Friend]

6 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

And some think the timing of Schilling's departure was awkward.  How would you like to be in Walter McCarty's position at Evansville losing 2 assistants within the past weeek.  And somewhat interesting is the fact they were both Butler connected --  Matthew Graves and Todd Lickliter.

https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/college/evansville/2019/08/03/another-evansville-assistant-basketball-coach-leaves-program/1892555001/

I honestly can't believe either of those two guys took jobs to be on Walter McCarty's staff. Have heard him interviewed and speak publicly; and have been less than impressed.   

[Geometry Hoosier]

I honestly can't believe either of those two guys took jobs to be on Walter McCarty's staff. Have heard him interviewed and speak publicly; and have been less than impressed.   

Two years ago , because of their budget, UE eliminated their girls tennis program. Things haven't gotten any better. I know someone who was employed by them recently. They told me their pay continued to drop until they couldn't afford to stay on. Also Lance Wilkerson, who had been the senior associate athletic director, lost his job due to budget cuts. I have also heard, but cannot confirm, that baseball coach Wes Carroll is being paid by his brother Jamey, a UE graduate, 10 year MLB veteran, and current special assistant with the Pirates. So if I had to guess, these coaches left because of the $$.


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[BGleas]

13 hours ago, Old Friend said:

I honestly can't believe either of those two guys took jobs to be on Walter McCarty's staff. Have heard him interviewed and speak publicly; and have been less than impressed.   

I can definitely see why they would. I can’t comment on Walter McCarty the coach, but I can comment on Walter McCarty the person. He’s a phenomenal guy, just a really, really good person. In my NBA time with Celtics he was probably the best guy I worked with. Treated the front office staff with tons of respect (which isn’t always the case), went above and beyond in the community, and was a guy that would do things for the business people (pr, community and sponsor stuff) when others players wouldn’t show up, or would just refuse, etc.

None of that means he’s capable of running a D1 college basketball program, I completely get that, but I can definitely see why coaches like that would go work with him. He’s just good people, and maybe they thought they could bring experience and help him learn the ropes.