JSHoosier Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deserthoozier said: I think our history with MSU assistants speaks for itself! It might be different if said assistant actually learned something from Izzo (at least when it comes to coaching). Quote
Feathery Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Yes injuries explain the team not even trying against several opponents. Starting 4 freshman and sophs explains the inconsistent effort and level of performance. It’s called growing pains. It’s why good to great coaches take 3-4 years to build a program up. Unless you get 3-4 one and dones it can’t happen over night. Quote
Bailey7878 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 If we stink in year 4 I doubt there will be a chance for a successful year 5. Will be too toxic then It will be toxic going into year 4 if next year stinks.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote
Brass Cannon Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Feathery said: Starting 4 freshman and sophs explains the inconsistent effort and level of performance. It’s called growing pains. It’s why good to great coaches take 3-4 years to build a program up. Unless you get 3-4 one and dones it can’t happen over night. OSU disagrees. Tourney in year one. Texas Tech and Arizona also made the tourney in year 2. A 1-12 stretch is hardly growing pains when the rest of the year is 16-4. That’s a coach that can’t control his team. Quote
Bailey7878 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 We’re creating the hot seat. There is no hot seat under Archie. This is what people don’t seem to understand...Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appThat is your opinion. Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote
woodenshoemanHoosierfan Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 That is your opinion. Sent from my SM-J700T using TapatalkAnd it's your opinion it is.Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Quote
Bailey7878 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 And it's your opinion it is.Sent from my SM-G960U using TapatalkNo we just disagree is all.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote
Feathery Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: OSU disagrees. Tourney in year one. Texas Tech and Arizona also made the tourney in year 2. A 1-12 stretch is hardly growing pains when the rest of the year is 16-4. That’s a coach that can’t control his team. Lol. OSU ha quality talent for Holtmann. Thad Matta left bc of health. He didn’t get fired for being crap. Holtmann walked into a much better situation than Archie. Just like Archie has a better situation than Underwood. Scout, hoosierbgh and pumpfake 3 Quote
Brass Cannon Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Feathery said: Lol. OSU ha quality talent for Holtmann. Thad Matta left bc of health. He didn’t get fired for being crap. Holtmann walked into a much better situation than Archie. Just like Archie has a better situation than Underwood. Everybody agreed at the time that Holtmann had a worse hand. 7 scholarship players and less time. Your just revising history to try and fit your narrative. Had Archie developed his players like Holtmann has we would be fine right now. Josh, Iugradman, MikeRoberts and 1 other 4 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Everybody agreed at the time that Holtmann had a worse hand. 7 scholarship players and less time. Your just revising history to try and fit your narrative. Had Archie developed his players like Holtmann has we would be fine right now. Everybody agreed? That would be amazing if that happenedSent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave, mookied39, Aeggie and 2 others 4 1 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Watch this OSU building class. Liddell, Gaffney, Carton. Looking at adding a big physical center too. Watch out for this class to make noise. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners MikeRoberts 1 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 I love the "and mines bigger than yours" discussions.Sent from my Moto Z (2) using BtownBanners mobile appDisagree to agreeSent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile app hsrtxp, thebigweave and mookied39 2 1 Quote
Feathery Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Everybody agreed at the time that Holtmann had a worse hand. 7 scholarship players and less time. Your just revising history to try and fit your narrative. Had Archie developed his players like Holtmann has we would be fine right now. Look at the players. He was allowed to bring in his guys. Archie had to play the hand dealt. I said from the get go Underwood, Miller, Holtmann from worst situation to best. Quote
Walking Boot of Doom Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 OSU disagrees. Tourney in year one. Texas Tech and Arizona also made the tourney in year 2. A 1-12 stretch is hardly growing pains when the rest of the year is 16-4. That’s a coach that can’t control his team. You’re pointing to unique situations and calling it the norm and then making bold generalizations about a situation none of us have much insight into. In that 1-12 stretch there were plenty of games we were going to struggle to win even if we were playing together. Losses plus chemistry issues equal the disastrous losses we also experienced. All that 1-12 stretch told me is that something went off the rails, and that Archie and the team got back on track at the end of the year. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave and mookied39 2 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 You’re pointing to unique situations and calling it the norm and then making bold generalizations about a situation none of us have much insight into. In that 1-12 stretch there were plenty of games we were going to struggle to win even if we were playing together. Losses plus chemistry issues equal the disastrous losses we also experienced. All that 1-12 stretch told me is that something went off the rails, and that Archie and the team got back on track at the end of the year. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appYou would think some who are pointing to the 18-4 mark would have more optimism for next season than that 1-12 stretch with injuries, suspensions, and whatever the hell else was going on. I don’t think we are anywhere near as bad as that 1-12 stretch but don’t think we were near as good as that 18-4 record either. 20 wins and an NCAA invite next season will make continue to believe the trajectory is where it should be with this program under Archie. I don’t think that’s crazy or impossible. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile app IUsafety, hsrtxp and thebigweave 3 Quote
Walking Boot of Doom Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 You would think some who are pointing to the 18-4 mark would have more optimism for next season than that 1-12 stretch with injuries, suspensions, and whatever the hell else was going on. I don’t think we are anywhere near as bad as that 1-12 stretch but don’t think we were near as good as that 18-4 record either. 20 wins and an NCAA invite next season will make continue to believe the trajectory is where it should be with this program under Archie. I don’t think that’s crazy or impossible. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile appThat 18-4 stretch also included 5-6 bad non-con teams, but even so, that’s about 12-4 against some real great teams including Duke at Cameron Indoor. I saw plenty in the 18-4 and 6-2 stretch to recognize we made improvements. That 1-12 stretch demonstrated that it was a fragile progress for a young team with potentially some serious chemistry issues. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app woodenshoemanHoosierfan, HoosierAloha, thebigweave and 1 other 4 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Watch this OSU building class. Liddell, Gaffney, Carton. Looking at adding a big physical center too. Watch out for this class to make noise. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersHopefully for them it turns out better then their last top 5 class of Lyle, Giddens, Mitchell, Harris and Grandstaff Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
Josh Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 6 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said: Year 4 is the time to panic? Asking for a friend. It's ok, you can use my name. They know lol. I wish there was a guarantee on being patient with a coach. Until then I'm going to pick at things. Like gameday preparation issues. How many more years do we have to watch that? If it's just one more year, I'm starting firearchiemiller.com WayneFleekHoosier 1 Quote
DChoosier Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said: I don’t think people realize that there isn’t a one season fix and ultimatums are meaningless. Three things: You are right, a one season ultimatum is meaningless. In this case, however, year three will be upon us soon. Your patience is admirable. Are you available to conduct my year-end job review? It would be awesome if you could review my progress/job instead of my boss. :) WayneFleekHoosier and Bailey7878 2 Quote
DChoosier Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Feathery said: Lol. OSU ha quality talent for Holtmann. Thad Matta left bc of health. He didn’t get fired for being crap. Holtmann walked into a much better situation than Archie. Just like Archie has a better situation than Underwood. Most pre season predictions in their first year disagree. They had IU around 5th in the BT and OSU 8-9. Matta’s last two teams went to the NIT and then no tourney at all. Josh and Maedhros 2 Quote
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