The Season Is Finally Over, Now Where Does This Program Go?

[JSHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

I think we have been one of the most patient fan bases in the nation. I mean crean got three years where you could not even question him. That included his third year debacle. Davis missed the tourney two straight years and was kept.

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Patience hasn't been a problem.  Keeping bad coaches too long has.  Making excuses instead of holding expectations has.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Archie has done better in his first 2 years here than Pearl did at Auburn, as he should. Took Pearl 4 years to get it going down there and he is a damn good coach. 

Yep


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[Brass Cannon]

5 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Archie has done better in his first 2 years here than Pearl did at Auburn, as he should. Took Pearl 4 years to get it going down there and he is a damn good coach. 

Archie had more talent than pearl in year 2 

[Feathery]

2 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

True but you do not want a situation where you go into a 4th year with a red hot coaching seat. Recruiting will be dead.

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Nope. And neither does Archie which is why you see him looking for veterans to come in this offseason. No reason to complain about a year from now, when we don’t know what the roster will look like or what the outcomes of the games will be. 

Recruiting may not be dead if we miss next year because look at the experienced talent that will be on the roster that 4th year. That is shaping up to be a really good team. Win a lot then and you can recover in recruiting. 

I have no doubt in my mind Archie can get us to the Crean level of being good every 3-4 years. The question I have is, once that teams run is over, did he build for sustained success?  I won’t get that answer for a few more years but I’m liking the strategy so far. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Bruce Pearl talk got me thinking.

 

At freaking Auburn, for basketball.

 

Year 1 15-20

Year 2 11-20

Year 3 19-14

Year 4 26-8

Year 5 29-9 and counting.

 

Archie better get some dudes.

 

 

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So we know that Bruce Pearl is both an excellent and winning coach who cheats and probably recruits dirty.

 

It took him 4 full seasons to make the tournament and have the success they’re having now.

 

Patience.

 

 

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[Feathery]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Archie had more talent than pearl in year 2 

Yes and he won more. What’s the point? I’m a huge Pearl fan and it has taken him, like most top coaches, 4 years to build his program. You have to get your guys, then as the mature develop them. 

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Feathery said:

Yes and he won more. What’s the point? I’m a huge Pearl fan and it has taken him, like most top coaches, 4 years to build his program. You have to get your guys, then as the mature develop them. 

He won more but I don’t think people thought that Pearl underachieved for his talent in year 2. 

[HinnyHoosier]

People forget that while not only are the players developing and adapting to a new culture while said culture is not even fully established, so is CAM. This is his first high major. He didn't come into this thing knowing the exact right coaching techniques, decisions, schemes, etc to make from day one. That also takes a little *gasp* time. He came from Dayton. And sure, he has been an assistant at a higher level than Dayton, but I'd venture to say that's not exactly the same. Throw in all the potential background noise of this particular season that's now beginning to rise to the surface and you don't have an environment conducive to anyone's development, seasoned or not.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

For me personally. I was always giving him 4 years. Maybe even 5.

Doesn’t mean I won’t be grumpy along the way if we stink. Lol.




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[Brass Cannon]

10 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

For me personally. I was always giving him 4 years. Maybe even 5.

Doesn’t mean I won’t be grumpy along the way if we stink. Lol.




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If we stink in year 4 I doubt there will be a chance for a successful year 5. Will be too toxic then 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Archie has done better in his first 2 years here than Pearl did at Auburn, as he should. Took Pearl 4 years to get it going down there and he is a damn good coach. 

Yep. Kind of goes against the don't give Archie 4 yrs talk

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

So we know that Bruce Pearl is both an excellent and winning coach who cheats and probably recruits dirty.

It took him 4 full seasons to make the tournament and gave the success they’re having now.

Patience.


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Quit. Logic not allowed

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[Feathery]

22 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

He won more but I don’t think people thought that Pearl underachieved for his talent in year 2. 

Bc they had realistic expectations? I hoped for a NCAA tournament birth and we were close. I didn’t expect it in year 2. 

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Bc they had realistic expectations? I hoped for a NCAA tournament birth and we were close. I didn’t expect it in year 2. 

We went

12-2

1-12

6-2

We had more than enough talent to make the tourney. Reality is not based on your expectations. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

True but you do not want a situation where you go into a 4th year with a red hot coaching seat. Recruiting will be dead.

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We’re creating the hot seat. There is no hot seat under Archie. This is what people don’t seem to understand...


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[Feathery]

4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

We went

12-2

1-12

6-2

We had more than enough talent to make the tourney. Reality is not based on your expectations. 

We did have enough talent. Then our PG got a concussion and missed Ames and he wasn’t the same until about 5 games left in the season. Crazy how we went on a losing streak then. Deron got injured. Race got injured. Green got suspended. That’s 3 of our best players. This also also reality and explains the 1-12. You realize if we go 3-10 or 2-11 we make the NCAA right? So all your worry is literally over 1 possible win while we were injured. 

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Feathery said:

We did have enough talent. Then our PG got a concussion and missed Ames and he wasn’t the same until about 5 games left in the season. Crazy how we went on a losing streak then. Deron got injured. Race got injured. Green got suspended. That’s 3 of our best players. This also also reality and explains the 1-12. You realize if we go 3-10 or 2-11 we make the NCAA right? So all your worry is literally over 1 possible win while we were injured. 

Yes injuries explain the team not even trying against several opponents. 

[Deserthoozier]

56 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Archie has done better in his first 2 years here than Pearl did at Auburn, as he should. Took Pearl 4 years to get it going down there and he is a damn good coach. 

Perhaps the Rifleman didn’t have any ammo until after the first couple of years!

[Deserthoozier]

17 hours ago, Fkfootball1 said:

We should hire one of Michigan States Assistant Coaches as our Head Coach.

Is their anyone there qualified?

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I think our history with MSU assistants speaks for itself! 

[Ranger78]

I’m sure if we follow the Auburn recruiting model we will be successful by year 4. We might have a couple assistant coaches facing federal charges, but that doesn’t seem to matter much in today’s landscape of college basketball.


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