The Season Is Finally Over, Now Where Does This Program Go?

[Chris007]

42 minutes ago, tortex28 said:

Wichita state only missed the tournament this year. I think they had been every year since 2011. No team makes the tournament every year. He's has a very good track record though.

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Yes he is very good but I was commenting on someone saying he was light years ahead of Archie. This is his 12th season at WSU, took him 5 years to get them to the NCAA and of course, they missed this year. 

[SlamaJamaSisley]

17 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

Boy DD sure not giving archie any love but he is being brutally honest about the state of the program.

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Dakich isn't a coach making millions for a reason.  He wasn't that good of a coach!  He was an assistant working in the shadow of Bob Knight.  I'm not sure he is really qualified to critique a program at any level.  If he knew it all and what it takes to build a program, or how to coach like he thinks he does, wouldn't he be the one making millions leading a program to the NCAA tournament every year?   I appreciate all that he did (or claims to have done) for IU, but come on, pipe down Danny!  This routine of bashing the coaches and players of IU is getting old, IMO.

[Chris007]

9 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

Boy DD sure not giving archie any love but he is being brutally honest about the state of the program.

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I listened to the first hour and He has some things just flat out wrong. No one at IU has said he can't take kids out on the court to shoot. If you want to shoot at Assembly hall just go there in the summer and you can shoot around for a few minutes. I shot around at games for years in the 80's and early 90's. I would wait till after the game go down to the floor, wait 10 minutes and then start shooting around with a ball I brought. No one ever said anything to me.

He talks about not getting an interview for the job after Sampson he leaves out one key part. He was told when he was the interim coach to not do anything with any players after the season was over, the next day he kicked several players off. I can go on and on about him but I won't. 

[Bailey7878]

Dakich isn't a coach making millions for a reason.  He wasn't that good of a coach!  He was an assistant working in the shadow of Bob Knight.  I'm not sure he is really qualified to critique a program at any level.  If he knew it all and what it takes to build a program, or how to coach like he thinks he does, wouldn't he be the one making millions leading a program to the NCAA tournament every year?   I appreciate all that he did (or claims to have done) for IU, but come on, pipe down Danny!  This routine of bashing the coaches and players of IU is getting old, IMO.

I do not think he was that far off talking about how the program should be established by now in year two.

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[SlamaJamaSisley]

19 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

I do not think he was that far off talking about how the program should be established by now in year two.

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I'm not interested in turning this into a Dan Dakich thread but ... below isn't exactly the record of a coach who had it all figured out.  

Season	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Postseason
Bowling Green (Mid-American Conference) (1997–2007)
1997–98	Bowling Green	10–16	7–11	8th
1998–99	Bowling Green	18–10	12–6	4th
1999–00	Bowling Green	22–8	14–4	1st	NIT First Round
2000–01	Bowling Green	15–14	10–8	7th
2001–02	Bowling Green	24–9	12–6	3rd	NIT First Round
2002–03	Bowling Green	13–16	8–10	9th
2003–04	Bowling Green	14–17	8–10	7th
2004–05	Bowling Green	18–11	10–8	8th
2005–06	Bowling Green	9–21	5–13	10th
2006–07	Bowling Green	13–18	3–13	12th
Bowling Green:		156–140	89–89

[Joe DeLow]

Bye.

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Weird how you would tell a fan bye rather than attempt to feel them back in... doesn’t make much sense.


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[Joe DeLow]

I get it but i have had hope for 20 years and kind of have run out of hope. I guess at this point im not optimistic so maybe i will be pleastently surprised next year. Certainly wont be as frusturating for me.

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I went into this season knowing we’d win about 15 games in the regular season. We won 17. Still super frustrating though.


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[Joe DeLow]

Wichita state only missed the tournament this year. I think they had been every year since 2011. No team makes the tournament every year. He's has a very good track record though.

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Great programs make it every year or incredibly close. How many times has Duke, UNC, UK, Kansas, Gonzaga, MSU, OSU missed in the last 20-25 years?


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[Bailey7878]

I went into this season knowing we’d win about 15 games in the regular season. We won 17. Still super frustrating though.


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How about next year? Right now I would say something like 18-14.

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[RaceToTheTop]

8 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Weird how you would tell a fan bye rather than attempt to feel them back in... doesn’t make much sense.


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If you have to be 'felt back in', don't think you'll stay long.  If you want to leave, go.  It's likely someone blowing off steam, but honestly I'm at an age where I don't have the desire to convince someone that they need to root for someone.

[HoosierX]

4 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

If you have to be 'felt back in', don't think you'll stay long.  If you want to leave, go.  It's likely someone blowing off steam, but honestly I'm at an age where I don't have the desire to convince someone that they need to root for someone.

You're right, it's probably someone blowing off steam.

I mean I couldn't stop rooting for IU even if I wanted to.  I'd only have enough clothes to last about 3 days!

[RaceToTheTop]

13 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Great programs make it every year or incredibly close. How many times has Duke, UNC, UK, Kansas, Gonzaga, MSU, OSU missed in the last 20-25 years?


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OSU doesn't belong in that group.  For the record, they've missed the tourney 12 times since 1993.

[southsidehoosier]

Boy DD sure not giving archie any love but he is being brutally honest about the state of the program.

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Was this today on his show?


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[Jasonb]

Disappointed in how this season went but I’m cautiously optimistic about next year.

This is a team that was about 5 key plays away from the NCAA tourney despite injuries, locker room problems/suspensions and a general lack of shooters. We went 8-7 in games where the margin was less than 7 points.  

Things I’ll be looking for next year:

Archie- Slow starts must end and the bench must have viable contributors. Both were deciding factors in our losses.  How does our incoming class fill out?

Al- Needs a consistent jumper. I’d also like to see him gain a few pounds to be a stronger finisher at the rim.

Devonte - made strides in his maturity and decision making. Keep at it. 

Rob- Excited to see his freshman jump. 

Deron - Let’s see what he does with a rehab free off season. 

Justin -  Probably gone. Looked completely checked out in his post game. If he comes back the game must slow down for him.

Romeo - Can’t quantify, but just think he’s more valuable to IU as a former player. 

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[ViaSwiss]

So many questions going into next year. 

-Can we find a legit PG to help RP?

-Can we bring in a grad transfer or frosh who is a dead eye shooter ?

-How do Al and Green shoot next year? 38%+ for both would be sooooo helpful. 

-Can DeRon stay healthy? His presence and passing out of the post are great. 

-Will Justin Smith return? If so, what role does he play? What role does he want to play?

-Can TJD replace some of the offensive production and rebounding we will miss from Morgan?

-Will Hunter come back healthy? This may be the #1 most important questions. I like what I am hearing thus far from his recovery. 

-Can Race get 15 minutes a game. His presence on the boards are crazy, but can his work on O improve?

-Damezi will have every opportunity to step up. Between him and Arrmon Franklin one will be needed to put in 10-15 mins a game next year. 

 

Its easy to point fingers at Smith and I've done a lot of it. But he was only a soph this year. Kid still has two year of improvement ahead of him. 

 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Saw something crazy yesterday.

We went:
12-2
1-12
6-2

18-4 with a holy hell we just pooped our pants B1G season. Things that make you realize there were larger issues going on...


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[ebridges24]

1 hour ago, InArchWeTrust said:

I'm not interested in turning this into a Dan Dakich thread but ... below isn't exactly the record of a coach who had it all figured out.  

Season	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Postseason
Bowling Green (Mid-American Conference) (1997–2007)
1997–98	Bowling Green	10–16	7–11	8th
1998–99	Bowling Green	18–10	12–6	4th
1999–00	Bowling Green	22–8	14–4	1st	NIT First Round
2000–01	Bowling Green	15–14	10–8	7th
2001–02	Bowling Green	24–9	12–6	3rd	NIT First Round
2002–03	Bowling Green	13–16	8–10	9th
2003–04	Bowling Green	14–17	8–10	7th
2004–05	Bowling Green	18–11	10–8	8th
2005–06	Bowling Green	9–21	5–13	10th
2006–07	Bowling Green	13–18	3–13	12th
Bowling Green:		156–140	89–89

yea, just look at those last two years in conference, 8 total wins in two years. somebody lost their grip on the program me thinks.

[GnarlyNormEllenberger]

A few thoughts, some of which have already been stated by others:

- There are many things I like about Archie. His emphasis on defense. His emphasis on recruiting the state. I like how he doesn't speak in platitudes like his successor. He has the "look" of a basketball coach... for whatever that matters. That being said... he's 35-31 with no NCAA Tournament appearances during his tenure. That includes embarrassing blowout losses at home to Indiana State and Fort Wayne and losing 12 of 13 games. That's not going to cut it, long term. Similar numbers ended the Davis and Crean eras. I don't want Archie fired, I want him to turn this thing around. Plus, I have little confidence in our administration to find someone better.

- Normally, I am a fan of building up a roster and limiting attrition. I think that's Archie's style. However, I am not sure that several players are good "fits" for what Archie is trying to build here. Is it a lack of effort? Are they too okay with losing? I'm not sure... although one of my lasting memories for the season will be watching multiple players laughing and smiling on TV while coming from the locker room after halftime vs. Ohio State in Big Ten Tournament after being out-played in the first half of what was their most important game of the year. I'm not saying their lives should be a living nightmare, but I know I wasn't smiling at that moment.

- Who steps up this off-season? The past two off-seasons we were greeted with rave reviews of the improvements of two players in particular. They had many opportunities to step up this season, but could not attain that consistency we so desperately needed. I haven't given up on those players, but I think it would be somewhat foolish to count on them as leaders for next season. However, someone needs to step up with the departures of Morgan and (likely) Langford. Is the leader on the roster right now? Many people point to Phinisee (and I love the guy) but look at these numbers below...

- Here are our shooting numbers for our returning backcourt... Phinisee 36.1% FG, 31.0% 3FG, 66.0% FT... Durham 40.3% FG, 34.8% 3FG, 74.0% FT... Green 40.2% FG, 41.0 3FG, 73.6 FT. That won't win many games. I fully expect improvement from all of them next year, but we need some capable shooters in the worst way possible. None of those guys provided us with a consistent shooting threat this season.

- Our post game has potential. Davis can provide offense. However, he has never played more than 18.8 minutes per game in his career. It may be wishful thinking to expect anything more than 20-22 minutes per game (if that.) This is not to mention his lack of rebounding that will need to be improved upon. He'll have help with Trayce Jackson-Davis, but I don't see them playing on the floor together much. I have failed to see either be able to hit a jump shot with any sort of regularity and we'll need to space the floor.

- What will come of our highly-touted 2018 class? Langford is likely gone. Hunter never played and considering how cautious IU seems to be with their athletic health guidelines, I have concerns about his athletic future at IU. Anderson failed to score a point in the 2019 calendar year. Forrester logged 56 minutes. Thompson played 63 minutes. That means Phinisee will be the only returner from that class with any sort of real experience to draw upon. Need a lot more production from this group. Remember, they are all "Archie's Guys". Hopefully a year in the program helps them improve.

- Hopefully Archie can find a couple more players this off-season who will help us win games. Whether that's Watford, grad transfers, I don't know. I do know that the current roster projection for next year screams a 9th-10th place finish in the conference, at-best. Again, that won't cut it.

Just my opinion.

[ebridges24]

unless you're Duke or Kentucky, you need 3 guys that can be a legit threat from 3 and we have none

[Joe DeLow]

How about next year? Right now I would say something like 18-14.

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Yea that sounds about right. I don’t see much difference between this year and next. NW, Rutgers will still suck. Minnesota might take a step back. MSU, UM and Ohio State will be good. Nebraska could be good. Purdue could be good. Indiana seems to be the only team staying where they are.


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