Team Chemistry Issues?

[Bowhunter]

Was Devonte chest bumping after he turned the ball over or the other team stepped on the out of bounds line?

[RatpigHoosier]

Thanks for this one, 41. Wasn’t there supposed to be a comment somewhere from him saying that Justin wasn’t being utilized properly in the offense? One comment like that from his dad could solidify the thoughts an entitled kid is already having and embolden him to act out.


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[Bowhunter]

5 minutes ago, IU Hoosier41 said:

 

 

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If Ed feels this way you know Justin does too. The team has been off every since Justin’s dad tweeted the first one. It’s sad that one or two bad apples can ruin the whole bushel.

[theriverpilot]

38 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

If Ed feels this way you know Justin does too. The team has been off every since Justin’s dad tweeted the first one. It’s sad that one or two bad apples can ruin the whole bushel.

Yeah, if Mr. Smith is that disgusted and adamant, then you know Justin is a lost cause now.

[mdn82]

You're right, but that would be a tough pill to swallow. I'm guessing Coach Miller has really struggled between APR concerns and concerns about loosing his team. A couple of bad apples can cause big issues with chemistry. And that's not just related to basketball teams...
It's unfortunate, I think Green has so much potential and I really thought he was going improve this year. 

Completely agree. I was really hopeful on Green too. I am guessing just from what I have seen at the games I have been to (and said earlier in the year) if we were in a better spot APR wise I am sure we would be down a couple of players. These issues weren’t there last year. I didn’t see it on the bench last year. Just seems to be a lot of jealousy for this freshman class.


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[A.j. Nigh]

Mr. Smith has also locked his account where only his 114 followers can see his tweets now. 

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1 hour ago, RatpigHoosier said:

Thanks for this one, 41. Wasn’t there supposed to be a comment somewhere from him saying that Justin wasn’t being utilized properly in the offense? One comment like that from his dad could solidify the thoughts an entitled kid is already having and embolden him to act out.


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There was.  It was back in January. 

[Josh]

When I watch the clip again, I see all his teammates smiling at him and getting along.  The team played well together for the first time since November.  It isn't at all how it's being portrayed on this board.

Please stop the player bashing.  

[Walking Boot of Doom]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

When I watch the clip again, I see all his teammates smiling at him and getting along.  The team played well together for the first time since November.  It isn't at all how it's being portrayed on this board.

Please stop the player bashing.  

Yeah, except you combine this with other examples of, what appears to be, him mocking Archie, plus multiple people stating what they saw live was way different than the clip, the report locker room fight, and the suspension...

A lot of smoke coming from specific players. 

[mark1981]

21 minutes ago, Josh said:

When I watch the clip again, I see all his teammates smiling at him and getting along.  The team played well together for the first time since November.  It isn't at all how it's being portrayed on this board.

Please stop the player bashing.  

If he was doing it in mocking manner then we have more to worry about than just Green and Smith.  The whole bench was smiling and laughing while he did it.

[TNHOOSIER]

22 hours ago, Chris007 said:

No you have it exactly right except that Green was told to go sit by those two as soon as he came out and ignored them. That is when Schilling grabbed him and made him do it. 

He should've been sent to the lockers immediately. The coaches need to set a precedence that this behavior will not be tolerated. I'd say revoke their scholarships and send them packing, but I know that's impossible. I definitely don't think they need to practice or be anywhere around the team because they are cancerous.

[Geometry Hoosier]

IU and BtownBanners are a lot alike. A couple people can bring down the whole thing.


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[Josh]

43 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Yeah, except you combine this with other examples of, what appears to be, him mocking Archie, plus multiple people stating what they saw live was way different than the clip, the report locker room fight, and the suspension...

A lot of smoke coming from specific players. 

There's smoke all over this program.

What's more reliable?  Eyewitness accounts or videotape?  Only one of these is without bias.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

5 minutes ago, Josh said:

There's smoke all over this program.

What's more reliable?  Eyewitness accounts or videotape?  Only one of these is without bias.

You mean eyewitness accounts or a clip without context and our interpretations of the clip?

Both are absolutely with bias. I watched live and my personal opinion is that the timing and actions were weird as hell.

[Chris007]

24 minutes ago, TNHOOSIER said:

He should've been sent to the lockers immediately. The coaches need to set a precedence that this behavior will not be tolerated. I'd say revoke their scholarships and send them packing, but I know that's impossible. I definitely don't think they need to practice or be anywhere around the team because they are cancerous.

The problem with that is if he gets mad and quits it hurts our APR. Then you could lose practices or even maybe a postseason ban. So I think you have to ride it out and dismiss this at the end of the season. 

[bigrod]

I have said before that Archie is stubbornly sticking with his way of doing things. I get that he wants to change the culture and he wants to do it his way. But how can you be so stubborn about that and let certain players totally screw up what you are trying to build? That is where the disconnect is for me if that is, in fact, what is happening .

[RatpigHoosier]

The problem with that is if he gets mad and quits it hurts our APR. Then you could lose practices or even maybe a postseason ban. So I think you have to ride it out and dismiss this at the end of the season. 

Agreed. We are kinda stuck


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[bigrod]

2 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

You mean eyewitness accounts or a clip without context and our interpretations of the clip?

Both are absolutely with bias. I watched live and my personal opinion is that the timing and actions were weird as hell.

I agree - I too watched it live and I thought it seemed totally out of place. I remember wondering why he was doing that.

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, bigrod said:

I have said before that Archie is stubbornly sticking with his way of doing things. I get that he wants to change the culture and he wants to do it his way. But how can you be so stubborn about that and let certain players totally screw up what you are trying to build? That is where the disconnect is for me if that is, in fact, what is happening .

He wanted to get rid of some of these guys at the end of last summer wasn't able too. Crean left us in a terrible situation with the APR that has forced his hand to handle this delicately. 

[HoosierDribbler]

As I said earlier, sometimes the system ties your hands from doing what needs to be done.