Random Archie/Basketball Talk

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

There is a reason why these same players people complain about are continuing to start and play major minutes. The available bench isn't close to being ready and you see major drop off in production. That was evident the last few minutes a couple games ago when, with 3 starters with 2 fouls. Were on the bench and the offense had 4 straight TOs. It doesn't help that 5 of our expected top 9 have missed significant time this year. This includes 1 who hasn't seen the floor. 1 who saw part of 1 game and then suffered a major concussion. 1 who suffered a concussion and hasn't been the same since.

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[LamarCheeks]

1 hour ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

You don't know he hasn't jumped him about it.

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I didn't write that I did. I wrote at least on the surface ... 

[coonhounds]

There is a reason why these same players people complain about are continuing to start and play major minutes. The available bench isn't close to being ready and you see major drop off in production. That was evident the last few minutes a couple games ago when, with 3 starters with 2 fouls. Were on the bench and the offense had 4 straight TOs. It doesn't help that 5 of our expected top 9 have missed significant time this year. This includes 1 who hasn't seen the floor. 1 who saw part of 1 game and then suffered a major concussion. 1 who suffered a concussion and hasn't been the same since.

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Some want the bench regardless of results cause they are tired of certain starters not playing to potential not that they think they will dominate and rule the world. We are tanking any how is the word

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[MikeRoberts]

Some want the bench regardless of results cause they are tired of certain starters not playing to potential not that they think they will dominate and rule the world. We are tanking any how is the word

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That’s right, I think our bench could go 1-9 so what’s the difference?


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

I didn't write that I did. I wrote at least on the surface ... 

Missed it. My apologies.

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[HinnyHoosier]

Received a bit of background on Justin from my boss the other day. He's an Illinois alum and follower of the program/B1G, so we commiserate several times a week.

Anyhow, we were discussing the train wreck in progress and I mentioned the overall mentality. I mentioned Justin as an example. He told me Justin's parents are Illinois alums and it was thought he'd be recruited there, but the staff ended up passing because of a then-perceived lack of motor. Some of you probably knew this, but I found it interesting. If that's the case you'd think the guy would play with a chip on his shoulder (the good kind and not the apparent negative one he currently seems to carry).


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[Uspshoosier]

Received a bit of background on Justin from my boss the other day. He's an Illinois alum and follower of the program/B1G, so we commiserate several times a week.

 

Anyhow, we were discussing the train wreck in progress and I mentioned the overall mentality. I mentioned Justin as an example. He told me Justin's parents are Illinois alums and it was thought he'd be recruited there, but the staff ended up passing because of a then-perceived lack of motor. Some of you probably knew this, but I found it interesting. If that's the case you'd think the guy would play with a chip on his shoulder (the good kind and not the apparent negative one he currently seems to carry).

 

 

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Interesting. He had an Illinois offer

 

 

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[HinnyHoosier]

Interesting. He had an Illinois offer

 

 

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Hmm. That is interesting. Maybe it ended up being a late offer due to that observation. Either way, his motor was questioned coming out of HS. Unfortunately he's proving them correct at the moment.

 

 

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[Alford Bailey]

23 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

Received a bit of background on Justin from my boss the other day. He's an Illinois alum and follower of the program/B1G, so we commiserate several times a week.

Anyhow, we were discussing the train wreck in progress and I mentioned the overall mentality. I mentioned Justin as an example. He told me Justin's parents are Illinois alums and it was thought he'd be recruited there, but the staff ended up passing because of a then-perceived lack of motor. Some of you probably knew this, but I found it interesting. If that's the case you'd think the guy would play with a chip on his shoulder (the good kind and not the apparent negative one he currently seems to carry).


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Wondered when this would be brought up. I had a feeling there was a "reason" Crean was able to land him that didnt show in the highlight film.

[Uspshoosier]

 
Hmm. That is interesting. Maybe it ended up being a late offer due to that observation. Either way, his motor was questioned coming out of HS. Unfortunately he's proving them correct at the moment.
 
 
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https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2016/8/1/12347486/justin-smith-illinois-fighting-illini-basketball-recruiting-news-villanova-michigan-indiana


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Some want the bench regardless of results cause they are tired of certain starters not playing to potential not that they think they will dominate and rule the world. We are tanking any how is the word

 

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I'm not happy with what's going on, but there is no way I agree with that. There is at least a chance to win with the top 7. Play the others and there is no chance. Sorry I don't believe in giving up

 

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[Rico]

1 minute ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I'm not happy with what's going on, but there is no way I agree with that. There is at least a chance to win with the top 7. Play the others and there is no chance. Sorry I don6believe in tanking

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But if we tank we get a lottery pick!!!!!!

[coonhounds]

I'm not happy with what's going on, but there is no way I agree with that. There is at least a chance to win with the top 7. Play the others and there is no chance. Sorry I don't believe in giving up 
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I agree with you I was just saying how most feel. You and archie will probably keep the faith as you should. Most of us realize we are deep six and the ground hogs are bringing the mail.

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[JaybobHoosier]

Hey All, had to take a little break. I’m an emotional fan during the games. And with the way the team has been playing, I felt it best to take a break.

I love my Hoosiers, always will, but it’s a struggle watching games this year with some of the lack of effort. I just don’t get this team at all. We’ve seen they can beat most teams in college basketball, but just refuse to go out there and give it there all.

Anyway, I will be watching Saturday, but just really hope to see a MSU type effort. I don’t expect a win every time, but expect 100% heart and effort. There’s no excuse not to do that!


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[Honkyman]

I'm feeling nostalgic for Kelvin Sampson. His Houston Cougars are ranked #12 in the country and some are calling them a potential Final Four team--with no NBA draft picks. Too bad he got slippery with the text messages while in Bloomington. He can coach. In article in Yahoo Sports today says his singular skill is "his ability to motivate and connect with players to drive them to play with unflinching aggression."  We could use some of that motivation this year.

[Hoosier116]

I miss Sampson the coach. However, His players were just about all awful students and humans by most accounts. Save for the Eric Gordon’s. Anyway watching the old Justin smith highlights shows a young man who once wasn’t afraid to shoot and was confident in every choice he made. That is so far from where he is now. Everything he does looks like a chore

 

 

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[HoosierFan1994]

6 minutes ago, Hoosier116 said:

I miss Sampson the coach. However, His players were just about all awful students and humans by most accounts. Save for the Eric Gordon’s. Anyway watching the old Justin smith highlights shows a young man who once wasn’t afraid to shoot and was confident in every choice he made. That is so far from where he is now. Everything he does looks like a chore

 

 

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I think I said something similar yesterday to someone. Sampson would have had IU in multiple Final Fours. However, I'd like decent student-athletes on the team I am rooting for. I'm the same way with football. I really don't want to root on a domestic abuser. 

[LamarCheeks]

Interesting story on Sampson ...  

https://sports.yahoo.com/kelvin-sampson-revived-career-turned-houston-final-four-contender-065511600.html?fbclid=IwAR2Rpb_4NAtqMbM-_kKq2q_BOgQZFjpf5G6ehfSKDdurTBcRmd8r2Eqj4n4

It does mention that not only did he commit violations at Oklahoma -- and got punished for it -- but he continued to do so at IU. But what it doesn't mention is what several have pointed out here: That pretty much with the exception of D.J. White and Eric Gordon, the players didn't go to class and didn't seem to behave particularly well. I do recall when Crean took over, when he checked the players' grades, there were something like 19 F's. 

To me, that what Sampson did back then is no longer illegal is irrelevant. Those were the rules and he continually and knowingly broke them.

The article also mentions that Sampson learned a lot by coaching under Scott Skiles in the NBA. I wrote on another thread on this site that I thought Skiles would've been worth a look as a potential coach here -- both when we hired Crean (I think he was between jobs then) and when we hired Archie.  

 

[yogisballin]

22 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

You don't know he hasn't jumped him about it.

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Evidently it has not worked

[yogisballin]

I really started thinking about our roster for next season. With/without some we think may or may not transfer at seasons end. Man, from an offensive standpoint, I do not like our roster makeup right now. I see very little shooting and ball handling. We need guards and we need both guard spots. Yeah defensively we “should be” solid. we’ll be so long at nearly every spot but at PG.

there is 4 from this years team I want to see gone for sure. (I won’t name them) it’s not even counting any of the seniors either. This is why I’ve said that he needs to recruit at all cost like all of the big boys do. I mean it, time is now. Hell no, the time was yesterday


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