2018-2019 Rotation Discussion Thread

[coonhounds]

I’m not sure. Like I said, the rules probably changed from 20 years ago, but when I played the coaches were not allowed in the gym if the team was playing pickup in the Fall/Spring. They were “voluntary” sessions technically, but the coach could not be in the gym with us playing. 
His office was right down the hall and he’d make up reasons to walk through each day and take a quasi attendance, but otherwise he couldn’t be in there or film them. We were allowed to have small group sessions in the Spring and Fall with the coach, but not team workouts. He would ask various players who was playing well, who wasn’t, etc. every day, but he couldn’t watch  
Again, the rules may have, and probably most likely have, changed. 

Did you play for iu?

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[Old Friend]

5 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Actually the way you phrased your challenge you made a definitive statements that good teams DONT do something.  Which means one example is all I need to prove you wrong.  Which I provided.  

Good teams have basketball players who are there to do things besides score all the time.  Dennis Rodman would be another great example

You let me know when  Zach McRoberts does anything as well as Rodman defended or rebounded.  You just used an example of perhaps the best rebounder in NBA history, and if you have to go to that extreme to make a point, I feel pretty sound in my thinking.   When McRoberts averages 18 rebounds a game, we can use that example.  

Your examples are extreme, and your point is noted.  Let's reconvene in February.  If McRoberts is playing 20+ minutes every game, still not producing; and Indiana is in the mix for a Big Ten title and looking like a solid NCAA Tournament team, I will very gladly eat my words.   Until then....  

[Walking Boot of Doom]

The point is, if Justin Smith and Jerome Hunter, superior athletes and talents, can’t surpass McRoberts, demonstrate equal basketball IQ, and become a starters/earn serious minutes, we’re in trouble come March. McRoberts is going to be a great tool off the bench when we need to give our studs a kick in the butt and need someone to demonstrate hustle and how to play fundamental basketball, as he’s consistent and dependable. 

[rcbowla]

The point is, if Justin Smith and Jerome Hunter, superior athletes and talents, can’t surpass McRoberts, demonstrate equal basketball IQ, and become a starters/earn serious minutes, we’re in trouble come March. McRoberts is going to be a great tool off the bench when we need to give our studs a kick in the butt and need someone to demonstrate hustle and how to play fundamental basketball, as he’s consistent and dependable. 

I absolutely understand this sentiment. However, there is a real argument to be made that McRoberts was our 3rd best player last season with the #2 player now gone. I'm not certain the incoming FR outside of Romeo are going to leap frog him in the rotation. If they do then fantastic and things will be rolling but I'm not sold. Also Archie hasn't said anything to make me think that ZM is all of a sudden going to be pushed down in the rotation. It may not just be as simple as the other talent isn't progressing well/fast enough but instead that ZM is really a player that Archie trusts and believes in.

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[Brass Cannon]

4 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

The point is, if Justin Smith and Jerome Hunter, superior athletes and talents, can’t surpass McRoberts, demonstrate equal basketball IQ, and become a starters/earn serious minutes, we’re in trouble come March. McRoberts is going to be a great tool off the bench when we need to give our studs a kick in the butt and need someone to demonstrate hustle and how to play fundamental basketball, as he’s consistent and dependable. 

You are expecting underclassmen to have the same poise and decision making as a senior?  Hows that realistic?

besides i have never said that these guys arent better players but how often do teams start their 5 most talented players?  Its not a rule written in stone. 

Leave scoring on the bench where its needed. Romeo and Morgan dobt need more scorers 

[MikeRoberts]

You are expecting underclassmen to have the same poise and decision making as a senior?  Hows that realistic?
besides i have never said that these guys arent better players but how often do teams start their 5 most talented players?  Its not a rule written in stone. 
Leave scoring on the bench where its needed. Romeo and Morgan dobt need more scorers 

Yep, he is best suited playing alongside our best scoring unit. If he comes in along with a bunch of freshmen that aren’t proven scorers then that unit will be a disaster.

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[Walking Boot of Doom]

4 hours ago, rcs29 said:

I absolutely understand this sentiment. However, there is a real argument to be made that McRoberts was our 3rd best player last season with the #2 player now gone. I'm not certain the incoming FR outside of Romeo are going to leap frog him in the rotation. If they do then fantastic and things will be rolling but I'm not sold. Also Archie hasn't said anything to make me think that ZM is all of a sudden going to be pushed down in the rotation. It may not just be as simple as the other talent isn't progressing well/fast enough but instead that ZM is really a player that Archie trusts and believes in.

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Agree - he probably was in all honesty.

To the other posts about incoming freshman, I’m talking about Justin Smith and Race who have all been with the program just as long as McRoberts. They are superior atheletes and talents. I don’t expect them to be big time scorers, but they are at least scoring threats, and should be able to have greater impacts on both ends of the floor. I hope they both are ready to bump McRoberts down in the rotation. 

[Brass Cannon]

6 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Agree - he probably was in all honesty.

To the other posts about incoming freshman, I’m talking about Justin Smith and Race who have all been with the program just as long as McRoberts. They are superior atheletes and talents. I don’t expect them to be big time scorers, but they are at least scoring threats, and should be able to have greater impacts on both ends of the floor. I hope they both are ready to bump McRoberts down in the rotation. 

Which would leave who to score off the bench?

[Stuhoo]

Which would leave who to score off the bench?

Irrelevant.
There will regularly be a mix of starters and bench on the floor.



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[Brass Cannon]

15 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Irrelevant.
There will regularly be a mix of starters and bench on the floor.



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Most successful teams do have a guy come off bench to score. Dont have to. 

If Race or Whoever doesnt start at guard is ready im all for it like ive said. But im a firm believer you have to have a scorer coming off the bench. 

[Brass Cannon]

19 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Irrelevant.
There will regularly be a mix of starters and bench on the floor.



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Then why is it so important that ZM doesnt start because we cant afford to only have 4 starters who can score?

[Stuhoo]

Then why is it so important that ZM doesnt start because we cant afford to only have 4 starters who can score?

I’m not on either end of the spectrum on this one.
I really like what McBob brings, and I would be shocked if he isn’t one of our top eight players.
But, Whether he starts or not is of no real concern to me.

ALSO: a major dynamic that has not been discussed is that McBob has a pretty nice shooting stroke, and knowing his work ethic I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he is a much more confident and 40% three-point shooter next season.



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[Brass Cannon]

36 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I’m not on either end of the spectrum on this one.
I really like what McBob brings, and I would be shocked if he isn’t one of our top eight players.
But, Whether he starts or not is of no real concern to me.

ALSO: a major dynamic that has not been discussed is that McBob has a pretty nice shooting stroke, and knowing his work ethic I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he is a much more confident and 40% three-point shooter next season.



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Not to mention his work ethic with Romeo and Morgan every player on this team is going to be more open than last year. Including Morgan and Romeo

[HoosierAloha]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I’m not on either end of the spectrum on this one.
I really like what McBob brings, and I would be shocked if he isn’t one of our top eight players.
But, Whether he starts or not is of no real concern to me.

ALSO: a major dynamic that has not been discussed is that McBob has a pretty nice shooting stroke, and knowing his work ethic I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he is a much more confident and 40% three-point shooter next season.



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McBob's 3PT% will be direct reflection of his confidence in his ability to shoot and the confidence of his teammates.  He should have plenty of open looks next season.

[Red1]

         I have been reading the debate on McRoberts and I will say this.... Embrace the young man.  A high energy, scrappy, great attitude guy who I believe every team needs. He will at some point have his time this year, whether off the bench or starting.. In 4 minutes or 20. He will have his moment and we as the IU faithful will sit back and smile. I for one am glad he's here and I'm sure the energy and passion he's going to show the younger kids will only make them work harder. I hope he's ready to get the dirty work done.. I think they will have most all other covered.

        So, with that off my chest get back to arguing (debating), I need something to read.

[Stuhoo]

         I have been reading the debate on McRoberts and I will say this.... Embrace the young man.  A high energy, scrappy, great attitude guy who I believe every team needs. He will at some point have his time this year, whether off the bench or starting.. In 4 minutes or 20. He will have his moment and we as the IU faithful will sit back and smile. I for one am glad he's here and I'm sure the energy and passion he's going to show the younger kids will only make them work harder. I hope he's ready to get the dirty work done.. I think they will have most all other covered.
        So, with that off my chest get back to arguing (debating), I need something to read.

^^A mike-drop worthy post^^



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[Baltimore Hoosier]

Soooo all that being said, what's your starting 5 on day 1 one of the B1G Tourney? I've got:

Green

Romeo

Smith

Hunter

Morgan

 

[MikeRoberts]

Soooo all that being said, what's your starting 5 on day 1 one of the B1G Tourney? I've got:
Green
Romeo
Smith
Hunter
Morgan
 

Starting lineup for final four:

Phinisee
Langford
McRoberts
Smith
Morgan


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[Baltimore Hoosier]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

Starting lineup for final four:

Phinisee
Langford
McRoberts
Smith
Morgan


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How about the final?

[HoosierCoop]

I like the grit that McBob brings.  However, there were a couple of games last year that i remember that he brought nothing.  We didn't have any answers for that either.

Fast forward, if he can ratchet up the defense and be that stronghold, I am good with him being on the floor without the need to score.  Holding an opposing player well under his average is like points in my book.  I believe he is that expendable player.

The debate is still there though to start and be Mr. sixth man.