Corruption in College Basketball

[Capt. Crimson]

Just saw this on Reddit

"Did we have some Indiana kids not come here because they just wanted to go to another school? Yes. Did we have some Indiana kids not come here because money changed hands? Because things got done for people on the inside? Absolutely it did. We live that." - Crean after being fired in March

[Stuhoo]

 

FWIW:

One of the indictees today is the Sean Miller assistant from Western Pennsylvania that has been with Sean the entire time Sean has been at Arizona.

If I were Sean and Arizona, I'd be extremely nervous.

 

 

[mdn82]

Just saw this on Reddit
"Did we have some Indiana kids not come here because they just wanted to go to another school? Yes. Did we have some Indiana kids not come here because money changed hands? Because things got done for people on the inside? Absolutely it did. We live that." - Crean after being fired in March

Yep on Dakich show I believe


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[Hoosierfan2017]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

We will never know.

 

What do you mean?

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

What do you mean?

 

If they haven't been recorded by now, it's overwhelmingly likely that there will never be a way to sufficiently prove it for probable cause to indict, and beyond a reasonable doubt to convict.

And I'm pretty sure that Barnes, Swanigan's adopted father, ain't gonna be talking. 

 

[OliviaPope40]

25 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If I was a UK, Duke, Kansas fan in particular I'd be very worried. The NCAA covers for them but this is above the NCAA.

Here's to hoping.


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It would be on the front page of the New York Times this is a little bigger than tripping but in this age it doesn't take much to get the NCAA and the Feds involved. 

[Bailey7878]

If I was a UK, Duke, Kansas fan in particular I'd be very worried. The NCAA covers for them but this is above the NCAA.

Here's to hoping.


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Why? The fbi can put people in prison but they can't put sanctions on a school like the ncaa can. If you think the ncaa will do anything to those schools you are dreaming. The ncaa is corrupt and a slap on the wrist is all they will get.

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[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Bailey7878 said:

Why? The fbi can put people in prison but they can't put sanctions on a school like the ncaa can. If you think the ncaa will do anything to those schools you are dreaming. The ncaa is corrupt and a slap on the wrist is all they will get.

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I think that the NCAA is far closer to "toothless" than "corrupt."

 

[mamasa]

5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Have they mentioned Archie lol

Pretty much the only thing stated is tht Jurich (if still there) can't be allowed to pick the next coach :)

[Hoosierfan2017]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

 

If they haven't been recorded by now, it's overwhelmingly likely that there will never be a way to sufficiently prove it for probable cause to indict, and beyond a reasonable doubt to convict.

And I'm pretty sure that Barnes, Swanigan's adopted father, ain't gonna be talking. 

 

Ohh okay. I just remembered hearing about the connection between Barnes and Purdue around when Swanigan decommitted from MSU so I was curious. 

[Bailey7878]

 
I think that the NCAA is far closer to "toothless" than "corrupt."
 

My point is they won't do anything to their cash cows

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[jimsorgi]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

FWIW:

One of the indictees today is the Sean Miller assistant from Western Pennsylvania that has been with Sean the entire time Sean has been at Arizona.

If I were Sean and Arizona, I'd be extremely nervous.

 

 

It sounds like there were two distinct schemes the FBI investigated.

The first one - that led to the indictment of the four assistant coaches - was a bribery scheme. Managers/agents bribed assistant coaches to push players into signing with those managers upon graduation. Not good at all, but not nearly as bad for the head coach/program, in my opinion. This is the Book Richardson/AZ situation.

The second one was about funneling high school recruits into programs via payments from shoe company execs to recruits, apparently often with knowledge of or requested by college coaches. That's the Louisville situation. This one is brutally bad for head coach/school/program.

[BGleas]

17 minutes ago, Tom White said:

The NCAA has turned a blind eye to a lot of things for a number of years. Is it really any surprise that another agency had to step in to start righting this ship?

The NCAA has clearly turned a blind eye, but I also put some blame on the coaches and media. I realize doing so would put your coaching career in jeopardy, likely ending it, but the coaches have had chances to clean this up and they haven't done it. The coaches and the media know who the dirty ones are. 

Several years ago Izzo came out and ranted about not being able to compete with dirty coaches. Well, if it bothers him so much he could have named names. I realize that's a stretch, and Izzo would have essentially been giving up his career, but if some coaches became whistle-blowers years ago, again an incredibly difficult thing to do, a lot of this could have been cleaned up. 

The media too. One of the reasons I have such little respect for Dick Vitale is how he constantly waxes poetic about certain coaches who we all know are dirty. You think Vitale doesn't know that Cal, Boeheim, Pearl, Pitino, etc. are dirty? Of course he does, yet you'll find him there every Saturday this Winter defending them all. 

Same with some of the other mainstream college basketball media, especially the more investigative guys. 

I also realize you need proof and can't just start making accusations off the cuff, but the larger point is this could have been cleaned up by the industry, yet for decades prominent people who claim the virtuous and in it for the kids have have turned a blind eye as well. 

[Capt. Crimson]

0708 at HSN saying we might not be out of the woods... Blargh.

[Hardwood83]

1 hour ago, HooHooHoo22 said:

This is just all around crazy. It would be great if Louisville and Vandy are both part of it so we could get garland and Langford


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What a selfish and cynical view.

I love it and agree completely!

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Capt. Crimson said:

0708 at HSN saying we might not be out of the woods... Blargh.

Is this before or after we landed Donovan 

[Hardwood83]

1 hour ago, pumpfake said:

Obviously this will have to play out, but as someone mentioned earlier, this is Big, REALLY BIG.

It would seem that if this is true, the NCAA is going to have to react in a major way.  Schools like UL should be very concerned that they may get the 'death penalty".  (If not for this, then what would it take?)

I hope so. Not NCAA sanctions, I mean literally the death penalty for the entire University.

Is that wrong? Should I not feel that way?

[Capt. Crimson]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Is this before or after we landed Donovan 

LOL FAIR ENOUGH

[sweetpain]

0708 at HSN saying we might not be out of the woods... Blargh.

Who exactly is putting us in the woods? Current coaches or past?

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[Naturalhoosier]

dammit...I think my F5 key just broke.