Corruption in College Basketball

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On 2/24/2018 at 4:17 PM, HoosierAloha said:

Turned to a big pile of **** many years ago. It's just more widespread and accepting nowadays. The NCAA saw the money and buried their heads while lining their pockets.


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I would like to apologize for my wording, clearly college basketball has been a big pile of shat forever and I didn't have a clue.

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On 2/24/2018 at 4:18 PM, Stuhoo said:

 

No...it HAS BEEN a big pile of shat.

Hopefully this year has been the beginning of turning it into something far cleaner.

Think of it like this: was the USA safer from Al Qaeda terrorism on September 10th, 2001 or on September 12, 2001?

It only seems worse because it’s been exposed. Hopefully, that leads to actually doing something about it.

 

 

 

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I would like to apologize for my wording, clearly college basketball has been a big pile of shat forever and I didn't have a clue.

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14 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I got two words for those sanctimonious DBs in Lexington:

Eddie Sutton.

And the legacy lives on.

or, two words and an initial

 

Joe B. Hall

[AKHoosier]

36 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Lots of speculation. 

My favorite though is they seem to be genuinely sanctimonious! How about this quote: "Another one we were on, but didn't get. Starting to see a pattern of guys Cal was after and either backed off, or shocked everyone by picking someone else. I think that alone is a strong indication Cal is not involved in paying recruits. At all." Poor Cal got beat out on a recruit by all those dirty guys. 

No one can be that deluded, can they? Kentucky is THE poster child for the high-profile one and done recruit and they think it's Texas, Mich St and UNLV that are the bad guys? Like most issues with Kentucky, sad and pathetic. 

Yeah what they don't seem to realize is that it isn't that Calipari isn't paying recruits, it's that sometimes he just loses the bidding war.

That's why the Ayton news implicates far more than Arizona.  The fact that someone was offering $100K to a player means someone else offered $50K.

I remember reading an interview with a former assistant at Cincinnati who said he offered $100K to Moses Malone when they were recruiting him, and according to the assistant, they were 3rd that day.

[Bailey7878]

Yeah what they don't seem to realize is that it isn't that Calipari isn't paying recruits, it's that sometimes he just loses the bidding war.
That's why the Ayton news implicates far more than Arizona.  The fact that someone was offering $100K to a player means someone else offered $50K.
I remember reading an interview with a former assistant at Cincinnati who said he offered $100K to Moses Malone when they were recruiting him, and according to the assistant, they were 3rd that day.

And it doesn't really matter for Miller if he took money or not. He offered and that's why he is done at Arizona. I want the tape of him offering shittu 100k and shittu settling settling for 50k from drew after Arizona got busted. Drew is in the weeds folks.

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

It's not up to the NCAA to end one and dones. That's the NBA's rule. 
I'm sure there would be a way to get around paying all athletes. Most sports are already losing money and have to be supported by football and men's basketball.
I'm just curious why you're so opposed to paying the players. Your "it would be the NBA 2.0" doesn't hold up. You watch basketball now even though you know that players are getting paid. The only difference would be that it would be out in the open instead of hidden. What's your real reason for being against it?

It looked to me like his answer is in his post you quoted.

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[HoosierAloha]

I think there is a chance that this scandal really ruins College Basketball... I wouldn't be surprised if the G-League changes its rules so that HS Grads can enter. The NBA, as an organization, must hate the negative publicity associated with current players being called "dirty" and being accused of taking money from agents while in college. Severing ties with the NCAA would potentially fix this problem.  

Why would the NBA care?

Do you honestly believe they have no idea agents are contacting, and paying, kids early to try and sign them? It's not the fact they don't know it's the fact they don't care.

The NCAA is a free minor league for the NBA. They want that one year in college to scout the talent. If they lose that one year to scout they become more likely to miss on lottery picks. They don't want to miss.

The only way this whole mess gets fixed is if it's cleaned up at all levels. The NCAA doesn't want to clean it up. Why would the NBA care to get involved? If it doesn't help them they're not touching it. The "negative" publicity for "dirty" players in the NBA. If anything it's a badge of honor for "sticking it to the man."


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[Bailey7878]

Why would the NBA care?

Do you honestly believe they have no idea agents are contacting, and paying, kids early to try and sign them? It's not the fact they don't know it's the fact they don't care.

The NCAA is a free minor league for the NBA. They want that one year in college to scout the talent. If they lose that one year to scout they become more likely to miss on lottery picks. They don't want to miss.

The only way this whole mess gets fixed is if it's cleaned up at all levels. The NCAA doesn't want to clean it up. Why would the NBA care to get involved? If it doesn't help them they're not touching it. The "negative" publicity for "dirty" players in the NBA. If anything it's a badge of honor for "sticking it to the man."


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Ncaa has zero interest in fixing it. Zero.

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[cljones1979]

Myles Bridges pays $40 to clear NCAA violation

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[HooHooHoo22]

Myles Bridges pays $40 to clear NCAA violation

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Lol


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[jonz44]

2 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Why would the NBA care?

Do you honestly believe they have no idea agents are contacting, and paying, kids early to try and sign them? It's not the fact they don't know it's the fact they don't care.

The NCAA is a free minor league for the NBA. They want that one year in college to scout the talent. If they lose that one year to scout they become more likely to miss on lottery picks. They don't want to miss.

The only way this whole mess gets fixed is if it's cleaned up at all levels. The NCAA doesn't want to clean it up. Why would the NBA care to get involved? If it doesn't help them they're not touching it. The "negative" publicity for "dirty" players in the NBA. If anything it's a badge of honor for "sticking it to the man."


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 Read an article on ESPN where Stan VanGundy was ripping the NCAA and calling it a terrible organization that was corrupt. He said that the "one and done" was racist. All I could think was "Hey Stan. Ya know that one and done was perpetrated by the NBA which you're a part of, right?" 

The NBA doesn't care at all and neither does the NCAA. 

[TheWatShot]

4 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

Lots of speculation. 

My favorite though is they seem to be genuinely sanctimonious! How about this quote: "Another one we were on, but didn't get. Starting to see a pattern of guys Cal was after and either backed off, or shocked everyone by picking someone else. I think that alone is a strong indication Cal is not involved in paying recruits. At all." Poor Cal got beat out on a recruit by all those dirty guys. 

No one can be that deluded, can they? Kentucky is THE poster child for the high-profile one and done recruit and they think it's Texas, Mich St and UNLV that are the bad guys? Like most issues with Kentucky, sad and pathetic. 

Well, when you're supposedly the best recruiter of all time and you don't get who you want, there has to be a reason, and it has to involve someone else playing dirty. Keep in mind, this sleazebag actually said the following:

‘I know you did, I know you said what you said. I’ve heard it from enough people, but I want you to understand one thing. Yes, I am the type of guy who can come in at the last minute and take any player I want from you. You can spend your whole life recruiting a kid and at the end of the day, if I want him, I’ll get him. If we want him, we’ll get him. Don’t ever get that confused. Be appreciative every time I don’t come in and get your guy. Don’t accuse me of cheating when I do.

 

I took a look at some other threads on that board. Many of them are brushing off the Bam Adebayo implication as a rogue handler accepting a loan without Adebayo's knowledge. Just another day on Rupp Rafters.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

4 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Why would the NBA care?

Do you honestly believe they have no idea agents are contacting, and paying, kids early to try and sign them? It's not the fact they don't know it's the fact they don't care.

The NCAA is a free minor league for the NBA. They want that one year in college to scout the talent. If they lose that one year to scout they become more likely to miss on lottery picks. They don't want to miss.

The only way this whole mess gets fixed is if it's cleaned up at all levels. The NCAA doesn't want to clean it up. Why would the NBA care to get involved? If it doesn't help them they're not touching it. The "negative" publicity for "dirty" players in the NBA. If anything it's a badge of honor for "sticking it to the man."


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You’re missing the point. I never said the NBA would want to clean up the NCAA.

 I’ve read interviews with Adam Silver where he makes it seem like he hates the one and done.. and there has been a lot of talk about it going away. 

So if the NBA has a legitimate ‘minor league’ (the G-League), then what’s the purpose of going to college? Especially when player can come out of high school and be making money immediately. Seems to me that it would be a no-brainer for the best players, who don’t want to pretend to go to school for a year, and really don’t want to play professionally in Uzbekistan for a season, to jump to the G-League and bypass college all together. 

If the NBA invests more money in player development (which they have been doing as evidenced by the change in name from D-League to Gartorade League. Major sponsorship.) the NCAA and college basketball just become a middle man.

I think this FBI scandal is not something the Adam Silver or the NBA want to be mixed up in. So it may be the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back. Just an opinion but I think it makes sense.

[HoosierAloha]

You’re missing the point. I never said the NBA would want to clean up the NCAA.
 I’ve read interviews with Adam Silver where he makes it seem like he hates the one and done.. and there has been a lot of talk about it going away. 
So if the NBA has a legitimate ‘minor league’ (the G-League), then what’s the purpose of going to college? Especially when player can come out of high school and be making money immediately. Seems to me that it would be a no-brainer for the best players, who don’t want to pretend to go to school for a year, and really don’t want to play professionally in Uzbekistan for a season, to jump to the G-League and bypass college all together. 
If the NBA invests more money in player development (which they have been doing as evidenced by the change in name from D-League to Gartorade League. Major sponsorship.) the NCAA and college basketball just become a middle man.
I think this FBI scandal is not something the Adam Silver or the NBA want to be mixed up in. So it may be the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back. Just an opinion but I think it makes sense.

I really hope that happens but I have my doubts. The NBA isn't really mixed up in this mess. The one and done rule and the agents are in at least knee deep.

I just can't see the NBA or owners invest in something that will cost them money for a decent amount of time.


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[BGleas]

11 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I really hope that happens but I have my doubts. The NBA isn't really mixed up in this mess. The one and done rule and the agents are in at least knee deep.

I just can't see the NBA or owners invest in something that will cost them money for a decent amount of time.


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Right, but the one and done rule is an NBA rule and the agents you speak of are sanctioned by the NBA. The NBA isn’t in danger from the FBI, but they are a huge cause of much of these problems.

[HoosierAloha]

Right, but the one and done rule is an NBA rule and the agents you speak of are sanctioned by the NBA. The NBA isn’t in danger from the FBI, but they are a huge cause of much of these problems.

I get that but what negative press have they been getting? The stuff that goes on in college ball, and AAU, has been going on long before the OAD rule was in place.

Changing the OAD to 2 and through or three and degree would help a some but it won't, by itself, get rid of corrupting the system.


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[mdn82]

Does anyone remember how much money Pitino was going to get paid by Adidas? There are so many things the NCAA can’t control but this is one thing they can. A coach should not be getting millions upon millions from a shoe company without expecting a conflict of interest. That to me is craziness. Everyone in the media is quick to point out shoe companies and AAU. But they never bring this up.


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[Bailey7878]

I get that but what negative press have they been getting? The stuff that goes on in college ball, and AAU, has been going on long before the OAD rule was in place.

Changing the OAD to 2 and through or three and degree would help a some but it won't, by itself, get rid of corrupting the system.


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Get rid of it period. Alot of these guys dontt want to be in college for one year let alone two or three.

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[Bailey7878]

Does anyone remember how much money Pitino was going to get paid by Adidas? There are so many things the NCAA can’t control but this is one thing they can. A coach should not be getting millions upon millions from a shoe company without expecting a conflict of interest. That to me is craziness. Everyone in the media is quick to point out shoe companies and AAU. But they never bring this up.


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I'm convinced pitino would not have been fired over Bowen if be had not had the stripper scandal and the school had already been sanctioned. I think Louisville would have rode it out with him.

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[Bowhunter]

I just want to get some opinions on recruiting after Archie’s brother gets fired for cheating. Different people,  same family.  Do you think it will affect us?