Stuhoo Posted October 6, 2017 Author Posted October 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, mdn82 said: Ok, but if he doesn't have evidence, how does that apply to us in an NCAA investigation? That is what I am saying. I don't care what he says if he doesn't keep a ledger. I highly doubt Crean was a part of any money passing on to get any of the players I spoke of. If I am wrong so be it, but I have 0.00% concern in the current time of NCAA violations coming to Indiana due to this process. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app NOW we agree completely. All I am saying is that there is a legal mechanism to get Kenny to talk about his whole history of misconduct (whatever that might be) without Kenny creating any new criminal exposure for himself. I also doubt that Crean was part of any of that potential misconduct, and I also have zero concern that the IUBB program will have any issues going forward. thebigweave, Tuck87, mdn82 and 2 others 5 Quote
Brass Cannon Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 So Stuhoo these new indictments do you think they are the result of the seized computers and early phone calls that were recorded by the original 10 people charged. Quote
Popular Post AKHoosier Posted October 6, 2017 Popular Post Posted October 6, 2017 I swear, if I learn Kenny Johnson cheated to get freaking Stan Robinson, Troy Williams, and Noah Vonleh I would laugh my a$$ off. None of those guys would have been worth cheating for. MemphisHoosier, Tom White, cthomas and 5 others 8 Quote
Stuhoo Posted October 6, 2017 Author Posted October 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: So Stuhoo these new indictments do you think they are the result of the seized computers and early phone calls that were recorded by the original 10 people charged. Hard to tell without seeing the new charging documents. The search warrants could have led to new defendants, but it's also possible that it could be: They were withholding some of the indictments the first time around to see if some of the early arrestees could tighten up or add additional charges to the case against others. Some of the defendants from the first round made recordings post-arrest but pre-public unveiling of the charges, and those recordings led to substantial new evidence. They thought they had plea/cooperation agreements in place with additional defendants, but they fell through and those people will now be indicted. The media has sources that are calling them indictments when they are actually informations (charges with an inherent plea agreement) from cooperators. Superseding indictments (ie, additional or altered charges) against defendants that have already been charged. WayneFleekHoosier 1 Quote
Stuhoo Posted October 6, 2017 Author Posted October 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, AKHoosier said: I swear, if I learn Kenny Johnson cheated to get freaking Stan Robinson, Troy Williams, and Noah Vonleh I would laugh my a$$ off. None of those guys would have been worth cheating for. Vonleh was a five star, and in the pay to play era he would be "pay-worthy." WayneFleekHoosier, IUsafety, Hoosierfan2017 and 3 others 6 Quote
AKHoosier Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Just now, Stuhoo said: Vonleh was a five star, and in the pay to play era he would be "pay-worthy." Yeah I get that and know he was top 10, I guess I'm using some pretty strong revisionist history with the benefit of hindsight. He wasn't very good, or he was pretty good but it didn't matter because his team was really bad. thebigweave and vjwace 2 Quote
coonhounds Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Yeah I get that and know he was top 10, I guess I'm using some pretty strong revisionist history with the benefit of hindsight. He wasn't very good, or he was pretty good but it didn't matter because his team was really bad.Vonley sat out to protect his draft stock of we paid him he should have got on the floor imo Sent from my SM-G920V using BtownBanners mobile app Deserthoozier 1 Quote
MikeRoberts Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Yeah I get that and know he was top 10, I guess I'm using some pretty strong revisionist history with the benefit of hindsight. He wasn't very good, or he was pretty good but it didn't matter because his team was really bad.Vonleh was very good, not a fan favorite but that doesn't change how good he was. He was a high school McDonalds all American that was the bigten freshmen of the year, 3rd team all bigten and a top ten draft pick.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app WayneFleekHoosier, Josh, thebigweave and 2 others 5 Quote
mdn82 Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Vonleh was very good, not a fan favorite but that doesn't change how good he was. He was a high school McDonalds all American that was the bigten freshmen of the year, 3rd team all bigten and a top ten draft pick.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appYep the dude wasn't the best shot but could rebound anything within a country mile of him. Solid defender. Also, IMO it would be very odd to pay an early signee that wasn't going to see the floor his sophomore year. He was ultra young and we wouldn't be paying for the best Noah Vonleh. I personally don't see that, but hey, there is a lot of that going on. As much as people will laugh I personally feel if any of KJ players got paid it was Troy. Just where he came from wasn't most stable situation, and we got him from notorious UNC Nike Pipeline AAU. In KJ neck of the woods. KJ knows Boo. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 I liked Vonleh, the basketball player, not Vonleh the Hoosier.Kid was good. Kid wasn't really "ready" for the NBA but it's working out OK for him. I wish he would have viewed his stay at IU differently and been more in the moment. Even still he was one of our best players as a Freshman, and I don't have hate for him at all, it's just an ugly process with these top 10 guys. Especially the ones that project more than they actually show and Vonleh fit into that category. In the end, he likely made the best choice for him and probably could have been a true "straight to NBA" in the older days. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Hoosierfan2017 and IUsafety 2 Quote
Walking Boot of Doom Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Iugradman said: Then we vacate 64 wins and a Big Ten title. Crean truly was a crappy coach to have to pay players to get his mediocre results. Wow you really just jumped to a lot of conclusions. ThompsonHoosier, thebigweave, IUsafety and 3 others 6 Quote
Popular Post Hoosierfan2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Popular Post Posted October 6, 2017 I feel like if we were paying Troy his mom wouldn't have been able to keep her mouth shut about it for three years. ALASKA HOOSIER, IUsafety, MoyeNeeded and 5 others 8 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 I feel like if we were paying Troy his mom wouldn't have been able to keep her mouth shut about it for three years. They all do though. They know the risks. The talk amongst themselves. Shaq was another one that admitted to getting paid. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Hoosierfan2017 1 Quote
TheWatShot Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 If KJ knew Troy's uncle, then why would he have to pay him? Were there any other schools Troy seemed more likely to pick instead of IU? Quote
MikeRoberts Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 They all do though. They know the risks. The talk amongst themselves. Shaq was another one that admitted to getting paid. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appHe did?Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
Old Friend Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 42 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said: They all do though. They know the risks. The talk amongst themselves. Shaq was another one that admitted to getting paid. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Need to read this. http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/shaquille-oneal-lsu-paid--shareef-recruiting/6t881rtfhwdu1lad33wcidme6 WayneFleekHoosier 1 Quote
coonhounds Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Need to read this. http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/shaquille-oneal-lsu-paid--shareef-recruiting/6t881rtfhwdu1lad33wcidme6Just joking lmao.Sent from my SM-G920V using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Need to read this. http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/shaquille-oneal-lsu-paid--shareef-recruiting/6t881rtfhwdu1lad33wcidme6Good read, but I'll trust the first words more than his retraction. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
Old Friend Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 21 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said: Good read, but I'll trust the first words more than his retraction. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app You know his personality. It wasn't a retraction because he wasn't serious the first time. Take everything into account, and look up the story. Not saying he did or didn't receive benefits, but does anyone really think Shaquille O'Neal (you have to know how smart he is) would publicly just say "I was paid well at LSU?" Seriously....think about that. thebigweave 1 Quote
mdn82 Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 If KJ knew Troy's uncle, then why would he have to pay him? Were there any other schools Troy seemed more likely to pick instead of IU?Assistant Director and head coach of Team Takeover. He knew Boo. Louisville and UNC were on him. He went on an unofficial to UNC right before his OV to IU. Committed shortly after an in home visit and not after the OV. Most thought up until around the OV he was going to UNC due to the Boo Williams connection with Roy Williams.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
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