2018 General Recruiting Thread

[Hoosier Guy 8,333]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Here's my thing from another perspective..

Is Rob Phinisee going to start or seeing meaningful minutes over a Junior Devonte Green as a Freshman? Is he going to eclipse Green the following year.

Plus, say we swing for the fences again and get a standout point in 19? Is RP going to play over some stud freshman?

Idk. If we are truly trying to build a national championship team I don't see Rob as our guy. If he is willing to be a career backup and potentially earn is spot as an upper classman than that is fine. If he is looking for instant playing time and gets it, we likely aren't a national championship contender.


I think we need to swing for the fences at each position and have a suitable backup for each spot. DG can handle it. My money is strongly on DG over RP anyways.

Long story short, if we take Rob he needs to know we will likely recruit over him or we should if we are trying to win ships.





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It goes against my logic, but even if IU gets Phinisee, two scholarships remain. In that scenario, still possible to get Romeo and Garland. I don't think a 6 man class is ideal, but I wouldn't say no to that class

[Uspshoosier 54,712]

Here's my thing from another perspective..

 

Is Rob Phinisee going to start or seeing meaningful minutes over a Junior Devonte Green as a Freshman? Is he going to eclipse Green the following year.

 

Plus, say we swing for the fences again and get a standout point in 19? Is RP going to play over some stud freshman?

 

Idk. If we are truly trying to build a national championship team I don't see Rob as our guy. If he is willing to be a career backup and potentially earn is spot as an upper classman than that is fine. If he is looking for instant playing time and gets it, we likely aren't a national championship contender.

 

 

I think we need to swing for the fences at each position and have a suitable backup for each spot. DG can handle it. My money is strongly on DG over RP anyways.

 

Long story short, if we take Rob he needs to know we will likely recruit over him or we should if we are trying to win ships.

 

 

 

 

 

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Shouldn't all players who play for teams that compete for a national title worry about being over recruited? Alexander from Kentucky is a top 30 player that isn't a one and done. Does he start next year over romeo if romeo went to Kentucky or did he get over-recruited. Hard to gauge whether or not we would have to over recruit RP to contend for a championship. Players improve or regress from year to year. Who is to say that he isn't the next frank mason. A guy that was a low ranked recruit that worked his butt off to improve and turned into a heck of point guard or van Vleet or he could turn out to be a dud. At the end of the day a lot of top 50 players that are point guards are going to be in the same position as all the other pg rated lower them them ( a starting losing pg on a tournament caliber team). It's hard to win a national title

Regardless of who we get at pg one thing is for sure they will have to produce on the court during their first year or the staff will be looking for a better option in 2019

 

 

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[CSP 12,246]

Here's my thing from another perspective..

Is Rob Phinisee going to start or seeing meaningful minutes over a Junior Devonte Green as a Freshman? Is he going to eclipse Green the following year.

Plus, say we swing for the fences again and get a standout point in 19? Is RP going to play over some stud freshman?

Idk. If we are truly trying to build a national championship team I don't see Rob as our guy. If he is willing to be a career backup and potentially earn is spot as an upper classman than that is fine. If he is looking for instant playing time and gets it, we likely aren't a national championship contender.


I think we need to swing for the fences at each position and have a suitable backup for each spot. DG can handle it. My money is strongly on DG over RP anyways.

Long story short, if we take Rob he needs to know we will likely recruit over him or we should if we are trying to win ships.





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Disagree with this so much. Have you seen him play? Those stars, that "ranking" means so, so little. VO= 144th "ranked" player in his class, James Blackmon Jr= 30th (ish) ranked player in his class.... No FR is taking Phinesee's mins when he's a JR or SR.

You must operate with a level of toughness in everything you do, you can't make any excuses, and you have to earn the right to be good-Archie Miller

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,839]

He could be Van Vleet or Frank Mason or he could be any other average 3 star player out there.

If the staff feels he's worth the roster spot to find out, then we assume they think the former. It just seems like a stretch to me. If he weren't from Indiana, we would wonder what we see in him.

As long as Rob knows the drill and the staff is constantly looking to improve each position it'll all work out.

Just don't want a situation where we settle at point guard in order not to burn any bridges or worse, have to burn bridges so early.


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[Hoosier Guy 8,333]

Just now, Fkfootball1 said:

Getting Phinisee also delivers a big blow to Purdue.

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As was getting Anderson. Nothing wrong with making Purdue feel like sh!t

[VO5 8,340]

8 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Disagree with this so much. Have you seen him play? Those stars, that "ranking" means so, so little. VO= 144th "ranked" player in his class, James Blackmon Jr= 30th (ish) ranked player in his class.... No FR is taking Phinesee's mins when he's a JR or SR.

You must operate with a level of toughness in everything you do, you can't make any excuses, and you have to earn the right to be good-Archie Miller
 

Those examples are outliers, not the norm. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,839]

Disagree with this so much. Have you seen him play? Those stars, that "ranking" means so, so little. VO= 144th "ranked" player in his class, James Blackmon Jr= 30th (ish) ranked player in his class.... No FR is taking Phinesee's mins when he's a JR or SR.

You must operate with a level of toughness in everything you do, you can't make any excuses, and you have to earn the right to be good-Archie Miller

Yes, watched him play. Not overly impressed. Don't see athleticism translating well against bigger, stronger kids. He's a backup guard for now.

He could grow into something but the athleticism bothers me.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,839]

Disagree with this so much. Have you seen him play? Those stars, that "ranking" means so, so little. VO= 144th "ranked" player in his class, James Blackmon Jr= 30th (ish) ranked player in his class.... No FR is taking Phinesee's mins when he's a JR or SR.

You must operate with a level of toughness in everything you do, you can't make any excuses, and you have to earn the right to be good-Archie Miller

Also, Blackmon would have been a total stud in the right system. He was pretty darn good as it was.

VO had athleticism. Developed skills. Still developing them to be honest.

RP has skills but that athleticism and size is hard to teach.


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[GloryDays 6,236]

Here's my thing from another perspective..

Is Rob Phinisee going to start or seeing meaningful minutes over a Junior Devonte Green as a Freshman? Is he going to eclipse Green the following year.

Plus, say we swing for the fences again and get a standout point in 19? Is RP going to play over some stud freshman?

Idk. If we are truly trying to build a national championship team I don't see Rob as our guy. If he is willing to be a career backup and potentially earn is spot as an upper classman than that is fine. If he is looking for instant playing time and gets it, we likely aren't a national championship contender.


I think we need to swing for the fences at each position and have a suitable backup for each spot. DG can handle it. My money is strongly on DG over RP anyways.

Long story short, if we take Rob he needs to know we will likely recruit over him or we should if we are trying to win ships.





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I could see them on the floor together alot.I really dont see Green as a point,way too loose with the ball. As of now he seems more of a two.I know thats a smallish backcourt but both are good rebounders and RP is a pure point.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,839]

Also, I'm not going on straight rankings. Never do. I liked Clifton Moore despite the rating. I liked Devonte Green despite the ranking.

Plus I put more value on the PG position.


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He could be Van Vleet or Frank Mason or he could be any other average 3 star player out there.

If the staff feels he's worth the roster spot to find out, then we assume they think the former. It just seems like a stretch to me. If he weren't from Indiana, we would wonder what we see in him.

As long as Rob knows the drill and the staff is constantly looking to improve each position it'll all work out.

Just don't want a situation where we settle at point guard in order not to burn any bridges or worse, have to burn bridges so early.


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When a kid has offers from mid major or lower level schools then I think you could be right. But if we are competing against Purdue, Virginia and Butler for a kid I feel like it is more about talent than zip code. However, I have often said I would prefer we get the 3 star kids from Indiana when we can.

RP plays a specialist position - point guard. He may end up being a kid that starts on and off or is a career backup. He may also start early and play often. I like having a specialist at point guard in the fold because then we can gamble some on combo guards.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,839]

I could see them on the floor together alot.I really dont see Green as a point,way too loose with the ball. As of now he seems more of a two.I know thats a smallish backcourt but both are good rebounders and RP is a pure point.

Ehhhh.

Devonte played point in HS. Very well. You are seeing RP as a point in HS.

College vs HS is like 2 different sports.

People say Rob is a true point because he is too small to be considered a combo. .


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,839]

When a kid has offers from mid major or lower level schools then I think you could be right. But if we are competing against Purdue, Virginia and Butler for a kid I feel like it is more about talent than zip code. However, I have often said I would prefer we get the 3 star kids from Indiana when we can.

RP plays a specialist position - point guard. He may end up being a kid that starts on and off or is a career backup. He may also start early and play often. I like having a specialist at point guard in the fold because then we can gamble some on combo guards.

I guess. Purdue offered Sasha and Pj Thompson too. Do you want them to be PGs for us, ever?

Indiana needs to be on another level (than Purdue and Butler) at some point, and that will require Rob getting a lot better (which he might) or recruiting over him.


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Ehhhh.

Devonte played point in HS. Very well. You are seeing RP as a point in HS.

College vs HS is like 2 different sports.

People say Rob is a true point because he is too small to be considered a combo. .


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There will be a two year gap between Devonte and Robert though. So if we get a stud point guard we may have three for a few years but it can be such an important position I would not sweat it.

In the end though it is more about having Archie get one of his primary targets at the position. If he consistently does that then I think we will be happy.

[Uspshoosier 54,712]

He could be Van Vleet or Frank Mason or he could be any other average 3 star player out there.

If the staff feels he's worth the roster spot to find out, then we assume they think the former. It just seems like a stretch to me. If he weren't from Indiana, we would wonder what we see in him.

As long as Rob knows the drill and the staff is constantly looking to improve each position it'll all work out.

Just don't want a situation where we settle at point guard in order not to burn any bridges or worse, have to burn bridges so early.


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I can only speak for myself but if he wasn't from Indiana I would be just as interested him as I am now. Since he is from Purdue country when following him early on in high school career I just assumed since IU probably hadn't gotten a recruit from that part of the state in a long time his recruitment for Indiana would be like an out of state prospect. If all his offers were only from the state of Indiana then I would agree with you about being concerned but for me that fact the other high major teams outside the state of Indiana from programs that have had more success in the last couple years then Indiana makes me think that what I have seen from him playing during the high school year is legit. Time will tell


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[GloryDays 6,236]

Ehhhh.

Devonte played point in HS. Very well. You are seeing RP as a point in HS.

College vs HS is like 2 different sports.

People say Rob is a true point because he is too small to be considered a combo. .


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He's had nagging injuries all spring and summer and hasn't been spectacular by any means.Im not saying he's the second coming but I've seen enough to know if he wants to come and CAM wants him I'm all in.Its not all about athleticism especially at thst position.
Really dont think Garland comes but Phinisee wont scare him away if he does.

[Hoosierfan2017 25,212]

- 5'11

- lacks elite athleticism

- inconsistent play this summer

...

We could certainly do worse than Phinisee, but my problem with this is that I think we could also do better. In several months Green could demonstrate great point guard skills and then we wouldn't need Phinisee anymore. We could bank that scholly to use in '19. I wouldn't be mad if we got him, but I wouldn't be thrilled either.

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,839]

- 5'11
- lacks elite athleticism
- inconsistent play this summer
...
We could certainly do worse than Phinisee, but my problem with this is that I think we could also do better. In several months Green could demonstrate great point guard skills and then we wouldn't need Phinisee anymore. We could bank that scholly to use in '19. I wouldn't be mad if we got him, but I wouldn't be thrilled either.
 
 
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Bingo. That's my thinking. Your final line sums it up to me.


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[Stuhoo 90,880]

I am a big believer in looking at the best of a recruit's offer list instead of ratings.
Clifton Moore is a good example; low ranked but chose us over an offer from Nova.
OG was really really low but was starting to pile up big offers.
Priller, Gelon, and April? Not so much.
UVA likes Phinisee; he seems to appeal to highly disciplined system coaches. Not Duke or U.K., but still high level programs. I like that.

[Hoosier Guy 8,333]

IU watching him in Louisville this weekend. Possible commit this weekend?