2018 General Recruiting Thread

[cthomas 6,534]

I occasionally check in at the 247 board but find myself going there less and less. I have been the most comfortable here and like the ability to have a discussion without posters taking things personal. I'm not into argumentative discussion. I think the vast majority on here get that.

[Stuhoo 84,409]

I occasionally check in at the 247 board but find myself going there less and less. I have been the most comfortable here and like the ability to have a discussion without posters taking things personal. I'm not into argumentative discussion. I think the vast majority on here get that.

When it starts going there the mods tend to pm the posters involved and diffuse.
And....Hey all; let's not turn a great recruiting thread into a discussion of the relative merits of other boards!

[cthomas 6,534]

7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

When it starts going there the mods tend to pm the posters involved and diffuse.
And....Hey all; let's not turn a great recruiting thread into a discussion of the relative merits of other boards!

Sorry for the diversion.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

Say what you want about RP but Archie doesnt fly across country for an in state kid if he doesn't think he will play next year and be good. He isn't recruiting him strictly based off being a Indiana kid.

I also feel bad for Archie to an extent. Crean left such a bad taste for IU fans with in state kids, that I wonder if Archie feels obligated with some of these kids or whether he really likes them. Not the case with RP being that he flew to see him across country, but until he is more comfortable here I do worry that that could be the case for the first yr or two with some kids.

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[mdn82 25,746]

Say what you want about RP but Archie doesnt fly across country for an in state kid if he doesn't think he will play next year and be good. He isn't recruiting him strictly based off being a Indiana kid.

I also feel bad for Archie to an extent. Crean left such a bad taste for IU fans with in state kids, that I wonder if Archie feels obligated with some of these kids or whether he really likes them. Not the case with RP being that he flew to see him across country, but until he is more comfortable here I do worry that that could be the case for the first yr or two with some kids.

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I think if all things are equal he is going to take the local kid. Especially if there isn't a noticeable difference and this soon in his tenure to develop a trust in local AAU programs lost over the last couple of years.


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[Uspshoosier 48,799]

Say what you want about RP but Archie doesnt fly across country for an in state kid if he doesn't think he will play next year and be good. He isn't recruiting him strictly based off being a Indiana kid.

I also feel bad for Archie to an extent. Crean left such a bad taste for IU fans with in state kids, that I wonder if Archie feels obligated with some of these kids or whether he really likes them. Not the case with RP being that he flew to see him across country, but until he is more comfortable here I do worry that that could be the case for the first yr or two with some kids.

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CAM didn't have a problem cooling on Jallow and after initially reaching out to Eric Hunter it seems like Hunter doesn't fit into IU plans moving forward. At least Hunter probably knew where he stood with CAM unlike the previous staff that he called Wishy washy


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[Brass Cannon 25,155]

I really think the delay is on RPs part concerned about being recruited over and starting as a freshmen but never again. 

Doesnt have to worry about that at other schools. 

[Uspshoosier 48,799]

I really think the delay is on RPs part concerned about being recruited over and starting as a freshmen but never again. 
Doesnt have to worry about that at other schools. 

He would at Virginia. Quinerly is a 5 star pg they are also recruiting for 2018 along with Devon Dotson


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[HoosierDYT 1,753]

Just watched a ton of phinisee's highlight films and I must say I am a lot higher on him now. Those on here who have been proclaiming how he does the little things right are correct. One think I noticed was that he puts the ball in the shooting pocket of his teammates when he passes the ball. This is a small detail but goes a long way and is one of the reasons he is a fantastic floor general. I would love to see what he could do with better talent around him.

 

 

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[Miller'sTheMan 1,652]

Yeah I think Phinisee can be a good college player, and I think people are undervaluing him. You don't need to come in and be a stud your freshmen year to be a good recruit. Phinisee is a guy I can see playing right away and making an impact, but really becoming a great college player by his Junior/Senior year.

Obviously I'll take Garland every day of the week over Phinisee, but do you tell Phinisee no in order to wait on Garland, who we're probably a long shot on? I don't think so, nor do I agree with the concerns about Langford not thinking we have good enough players around him. Let's assume we get Phinisee, our recruiting class would be (all rankings according to the 247 comp):

Jerome Hunter: 4* 60

Race Thompson: 4* Not sure on his number now, I can't find it on his 247 page after reclassifying

Damezi Anderson: 4* 91

Robert Phinisee: 4* 114

You're telling me Langford is going to look at a class with four different four star recruits and say there isn't enough talent there? Not to mention with guys like Justin Smith, De'Ron Davis, Clifton Moore, and Devonte Green, who many people are high on what they can become. I just don't find those concerns to be valid.

 

[Crimson and Cream 5,868]

Phinisee would be a great pickup. I've seen him in person several times so I can compare that to the highlight videos on YT as well. No he's not explosive, but I wouldn't say he's unathletic at all. He's just not a real flashy player, not a high flyer. He plays under control and his game is so smooth. You're just watching him and he just controls games without seeming to put forth any great effort (I'm not knocking his effort at all though). He makes his teammates better, always making the extra pass. I see him as a really good 4 year point guard for us. Maybe a bench guy the first year or two and then starting his junior and senior seasons. Kid can run a team.

[Hoosier Guy 7,795]

2 hours ago, Miller'sTheMan said:

Yeah I think Phinisee can be a good college player, and I think people are undervaluing him. You don't need to come in and be a stud your freshmen year to be a good recruit. Phinisee is a guy I can see playing right away and making an impact, but really becoming a great college player by his Junior/Senior year.

Obviously I'll take Garland every day of the week over Phinisee, but do you tell Phinisee no in order to wait on Garland, who we're probably a long shot on? I don't think so, nor do I agree with the concerns about Langford not thinking we have good enough players around him. Let's assume we get Phinisee, our recruiting class would be (all rankings according to the 247 comp):

Jerome Hunter: 4* 60

Race Thompson: 4* Not sure on his number now, I can't find it on his 247 page after reclassifying

Damezi Anderson: 4* 91

Robert Phinisee: 4* 114

You're telling me Langford is going to look at a class with four different four star recruits and say there isn't enough talent there? Not to mention with guys like Justin Smith, De'Ron Davis, Clifton Moore, and Devonte Green, who many people are high on what they can become. I just don't find those concerns to be valid.

 

Yeah I don't know where the thinking of IU not having enough talent to entice Romeo originated. That's obviously not true at all. The current team has some great talent and the 2018 class will have great talent. Definitely helps that two of those players are in-state recruits as well

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,531]

Yeah I don't know where the thinking of IU not having enough talent to entice Romeo originated. That's obviously not true at all. The current team has some great talent and the 2018 class will have great talent. Definitely helps that two of those players are in-state recruits as well

That line of thinking is more about Garland. He is the PG that benefits greatly from having elite pieces around him. Mentioned some of the level of talent he'd like to play with. Most those guys are 5 stars. Not the type of guys IU has or is getting.

Romeo, it matters much less. Romeo would like to be the featured bucket getter. Doesn't need 5 star type guys surrounding him per se. But I'm sure he wants to play with talent as well, but to me our roster fits what he'd like to have. He'd be the guy.


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[Feathery 4,005]

11 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I do not remember anyone on this board that had any such concern.

 

There were plenty of people on other boards and I worked with several alumni that had this fear. We would argue about who is better than Crean that was realistic. When I would bring up Archie, they didn't think we could get him either. 

[Feathery 4,005]

4 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

That line of thinking is more about Garland. He is the PG that benefits greatly from having elite pieces around him. Mentioned some of the level of talent he'd like to play with. Most those guys are 5 stars. Not the type of guys IU has or is getting.

Romeo, it matters much less. Romeo would like to be the featured bucket getter. Doesn't need 5 star type guys surrounding him per se. But I'm sure he wants to play with talent as well, but to me our roster fits what he'd like to have. He'd be the guy.


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This class is about building a base/foundation. Not necessarily a championship roster. To me you take RP if he wants to come. Then you have a PG that will at worst be a backup for 4 years. If someone else comes and beats him out later, so be it. We always need 2 PG's on the roster. If Garland wants to come (which I highly doubt) then Archie takes him and we are set at PG for 4 years. Garland is likely a 3 year player and then RP can lead the team as a senior. 

I view Archie and PG's as I do Jim Harbaugh and QB's. they both played the position. They both have had successful PG/QB's in their systems and developed them well. If Archie wants RP, then I will not blink an eye at his evaluation abilities. Archie knows his system and has targeted RP early on, which tells me he thinks RP can be a quality PG at IU. 

Getting RP also plays into Archie's "Inside-Out" recruiting philosophy. Which will play well with the Indiana coaches. Which should lead to bigger success down the road with higher level Indiana prospects. It shows Archie is keeping his word, he is doing the local players right. I don't think this can be overstated.

I'm one that thinks recruiting Indiana first and foremost is an absolute must. I don't agree with the crowd that thinks guys can come from anywhere. Your foundation must come from the state of Indiana. It's a recruiting hotbed and ignorant to ignore. I view it like Texas or Ohio in football. Sure go for players elsewhere but the base of every class needs to come from the top guys in your state. It keeps the pipeline flowing. 

[Hoosier Guy 7,795]

1 hour ago, Feathery said:

This class is about building a base/foundation. Not necessarily a championship roster. To me you take RP if he wants to come. Then you have a PG that will at worst be a backup for 4 years. If someone else comes and beats him out later, so be it. We always need 2 PG's on the roster. If Garland wants to come (which I highly doubt) then Archie takes him and we are set at PG for 4 years. Garland is likely a 3 year player and then RP can lead the team as a senior. 

I view Archie and PG's as I do Jim Harbaugh and QB's. they both played the position. They both have had successful PG/QB's in their systems and developed them well. If Archie wants RP, then I will not blink an eye at his evaluation abilities. Archie knows his system and has targeted RP early on, which tells me he thinks RP can be a quality PG at IU. 

Getting RP also plays into Archie's "Inside-Out" recruiting philosophy. Which will play well with the Indiana coaches. Which should lead to bigger success down the road with higher level Indiana prospects. It shows Archie is keeping his word, he is doing the local players right. I don't think this can be overstated.

I'm one that thinks recruiting Indiana first and foremost is an absolute must. I don't agree with the crowd that thinks guys can come from anywhere. Your foundation must come from the state of Indiana. It's a recruiting hotbed and ignorant to ignore. I view it like Texas or Ohio in football. Sure go for players elsewhere but the base of every class needs to come from the top guys in your state. It keeps the pipeline flowing. 

"I don't think this can be overstated." That's the most important line. Doing the local players right is the most important thing. This state produces the best basketball talent. Need to be in well with the in-state recruits

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

6 hours ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Yeah I don't know where the thinking of IU not having enough talent to entice Romeo originated. That's obviously not true at all. The current team has some great talent and the 2018 class will have great talent. Definitely helps that two of those players are in-state recruits as well

The 2018 class doesn't have two in state players. Just Damezi right now. 

[Hoosier Guy 7,795]

8 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

The 2018 class doesn't have two in state players. Just Damezi right now. 

I'm assuming Phinisee is coming

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

28 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

I'm assuming Phinisee is coming

That's quite an assumption. 

[Hoosier Guy 7,795]

5 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

That's quite an assumption. 

Not really. Archie clearly wants him