2018 General Recruiting Thread

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,883]

Kansas is the model I would like to emulate most directly there tbh.  How they recruit is perfect 

Besides the fact they take on more shady characters than DUKE and UK. They take some scum.

Give me Arizona over the past 5 years all day evr'day.


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[Brass Cannon 25,176]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Besides the fact they take on more shady characters than DUKE and UK. They take some scum.

Give me Arizona over the past 5 years all day evr'day.


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True I meant talent wise. Stay away from a whole class on one and dones. 

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I hope people don't expect him to recruit with UK, KU, UCLA and Duke 4 months into the job. I think we will be closer to them next year. But again I see what you are saying and agree with it. 

How about similar to Will Wade at LSU. He came in around the same time Archie did from a mid-major type school and has already landed Tremont Waters 4 star for 2017 and a 5 star for 2018. I would say expectations need to be a little tempered for 2018 but in basketball no reason to not be able to pull in a few big fish right away. it's not like Archie came out of nowhere and neither did his assistants. 

[bhaggard89 869]

I remember Crean putting together a hell of a recruiting run, with nothing but a sweet 16 appearance to show for it. Give me on-court results over the recruiting rankings everyday.


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[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

5 minutes ago, bhaggard89 said:

I remember Crean putting together a hell of a recruiting run, with nothing but a sweet 16 appearance to show for it. Give me on-court results over the recruiting rankings everyday.


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That's because he usually got out-coached. Archie's coaching + solid recruiting = a totally different ballgame. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,883]

I remember Crean putting together a hell of a recruiting run, with nothing but a sweet 16 appearance to show for it. Give me on-court results over the recruiting rankings everyday.


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Need both. Crean had the talent part going for a couple years, needed the coaching and direction. He started slipping on getting the talent more lately on top of it. That's a disastrous recipe for a coach like Crean.

Even a school like Gonzaga. They amass tremendous talent too. Recruit better than most think. Take on really talented transfers. Wichita State is probably the best example of doing more with less but even they eventually can't match the talent gap with other schools.

Need both.


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[Chris007 55,545]

21 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

How about similar to Will Wade at LSU. He came in around the same time Archie did from a mid-major type school and has already landed Tremont Waters 4 star for 2017 and a 5 star for 2018. I would say expectations need to be a little tempered for 2018 but in basketball no reason to not be able to pull in a few big fish right away. it's not like Archie came out of nowhere and neither did his assistants. 

Well I would say good luck to Wade on having Tremont Waters on his team. Anyone who has been around the AAU circuit will tell you his dad is a lot like Ball's dad but Tremont doesn't have the talent that Ball does. I totally agree that is why I keep saying don't worry it's July 12. Waters didn't decide to go to LSU till the summer after his senior year. Still plenty of time to get a good class. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 87,819]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Besides the fact they take on more shady characters than DUKE and UK. They take some scum.

Give me Arizona over the past 5 years all day evr'day.


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Yeah, I hope Archie shares Sean's recruiting gene.  

[HoosierAloha 30,099]

Arizona and UNC are good examples. Obviously, make the kids go to class or just tell the NCAA to bug off.

[GnarlyNormEllenberger 1,462]

A few thoughts here...

- I'm afraid some of the prospects mentioned in this thread are being underestimated or devalued because of the ranking number that follows their name. I've followed the rankings/recruiting scene for 10+ years and admit that it often gives you an idea of where a player stands/projects at the present time of ranking. But it also seems to (in my opinion) put a little too much emphasis on size/athleticism and how that player performs over a handful of weekends in the spring/summer. Does that give an accurate evaluation of how a player will perform at the collegiate level? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It's an inexact science.

- I look at Race Thompson. Some people compare him to Brandon Johns (Michigan) and Darius Bazley (Syracuse) and say he's not as athletic or versatile and this means he's not near as good. The fact is, Thompson is more of a post than either of those two. Sure, he's not as quick or an "above the rim" type of player like the other two, but he's a natural in the post. He can establish position, seal off his defender and absorb contact. He has a variety of post moves already and has the capability to step outside as well. His defensive awareness is impressive, particularly in defending passing lanes. He can be a bulldog and is a perfect fit for the Big Ten. He'll be (at least) a rotation player from the start for a "good" team. I'll almost guarantee you. While he doesn't possess the athleticism or versatility of Johns or Bazley, he's going to have a college-ready game. And I'll be flabbergasted if he doesn't become a really good player in college.

- Phinisee didn't have an outstanding spring, so that affected his ranking. I understand it, I get it. Supposedly he was battling some nagging injuries. However, I've heard enough from people I would trust that have watched Phinisee for several years (much longer than just a handful of events) that he is a great point guard prospect. Not the fastest, not the strongest, not the biggest, but he understands the game. Plain and simple. He's a leader. I've heard phrases such as "makes his team better" and "tough as nails". I view him the same way I viewed Jordy Hulls. May not be ready to take the keys from Day 1, but as a Sophomore and beyond, he'll be a huge asset to the team. Is he Darius Garland? No, but he's still a great prospect.

- Aaron Henry. I'll just say this, I like him better than I liked Jallow (and that pains me as a North grad.) Led his team to a 4A title last year and played well against some top competition. He's coming on strong and if he's the 5th man in a 5-man class, I think we'll have a "steal."

- Some new names will pop up in the next few weeks. And I bet you'll be positively surprised with how well we stand with them.

- Personally, I feel this class needs to be and will be like the '09 class with Watford, Creek, Hulls, Elston, Capobianco and Muniru, That was good foundation class and was the backbone to our successes in 2012 and 2013. The '18 class can do the same with guys like Thompson, Phinisee and Henry (plus another couple of guys.) As of July 12th, I am not worried.

- The '19 class should be the superstar class. If we don't land at least one from that class (Trendon Watford, Keion Brooks, Matthew Hurt, etc.) then it's more than fair to criticize. 

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Always appreciate the well thought out insights from Gnarly.   Thank you.

[mdn82 25,782]

Absolutely agree with above!


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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,883]

2009 class is to me indicative again that rankings are often a pretty good indicator. By no means the end all be all but consider them for this class.

Watford 30-40 range. Production equaled expected results
Creek 40-70 range. Injuries curtailed. Matched rating though.
Elston 90-120 range. Idk. Pretty accurate. Underachieved rating slightly.
Hulls 90-120 range. Exceeded rank slightly but ultimately was never going to outplay certain players at the same position. Hence Yogi. Great Hoosier.
Capobianco 150-200 range. Fits. Never much help.
Maniru 300 range. Fits. Never much help.

So yes, if we can get a "Watford/borderline 5 star", "Creek/Mid to high 4 star" and a couple of maybe good, maybe ok 3 stars to fill this class it would be a success.


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[HoosierAloha 30,099]

I like Race Thompson as a versatile 4/5. He could backup Davis and play in a small ball lineup. He's going to be a solid contributor for 4 years. I don't think he'll ever be a featured poet player. He'll be one of those MSU grinder type bigs.

If we want to contend in 2018 we'll need impact guards. One or two of Romeo, Garland, Dort, Duke, Carey, etc.

[Brass Cannon 25,176]

59 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I like Race Thompson as a versatile 4/5. He could backup Davis and play in a small ball lineup. He's going to be a solid contributor for 4 years. I don't think he'll ever be a featured poet player. He'll be one of those MSU grinder type bigs.

If we want to contend in 2018 we'll need impact guards. One or two of Romeo, Garland, Dort, Duke, Carey, etc.

I want Dort, Thompson then A more true PG. 

[recker222000 1,010]

I like Race Thompson as a versatile 4/5. He could backup Davis and play in a small ball lineup. He's going to be a solid contributor for 4 years. I don't think he'll ever be a featured poet player. He'll be one of those MSU grinder type bigs.

If we want to contend in 2018 we'll need impact guards. One or two of Romeo, Garland, Dort, Duke, Carey, etc.

The fact we lose so much is why we have to get some impact guys for 2018. There will be massive holes to fill after this year.

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[mdn82 25,782]

We do have a 2017 class that should help in 2018. I think people forget that aspect a lot. I think we need a 4/5 and a point. Most other things are gravy imo.


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[GloryDays 6,076]

A few thoughts here...
- I'm afraid some of the prospects mentioned in this thread are being underestimated or devalued because of the ranking number that follows their name. I've followed the rankings/recruiting scene for 10+ years and admit that it often gives you an idea of where a player stands/projects at the present time of ranking. But it also seems to (in my opinion) put a little too much emphasis on size/athleticism and how that player performs over a handful of weekends in the spring/summer. Does that give an accurate evaluation of how a player will perform at the collegiate level? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It's an inexact science.
- I look at Race Thompson. Some people compare him to Brandon Johns (Michigan) and Darius Bazley (Syracuse) and say he's not as athletic or versatile and this means he's not near as good. The fact is, Thompson is more of a post than either of those two. Sure, he's not as quick or an "above the rim" type of player like the other two, but he's a natural in the post. He can establish position, seal off his defender and absorb contact. He has a variety of post moves already and has the capability to step outside as well. His defensive awareness is impressive, particularly in defending passing lanes. He can be a bulldog and is a perfect fit for the Big Ten. He'll be (at least) a rotation player from the start for a "good" team. I'll almost guarantee you. While he doesn't possess the athleticism or versatility of Johns or Bazley, he's going to have a college-ready game. And I'll be flabbergasted if he doesn't become a really good player in college.
- Phinisee didn't have an outstanding spring, so that affected his ranking. I understand it, I get it. Supposedly he was battling some nagging injuries. However, I've heard enough from people I would trust that have watched Phinisee for several years (much longer than just a handful of events) that he is a great point guard prospect. Not the fastest, not the strongest, not the biggest, but he understands the game. Plain and simple. He's a leader. I've heard phrases such as "makes his team better" and "tough as nails". I view him the same way I viewed Jordy Hulls. May not be ready to take the keys from Day 1, but as a Sophomore and beyond, he'll be a huge asset to the team. Is he Darius Garland? No, but he's still a great prospect.
- Aaron Henry. I'll just say this, I like him better than I liked Jallow (and that pains me as a North grad.) Led his team to a 4A title last year and played well against some top competition. He's coming on strong and if he's the 5th man in a 5-man class, I think we'll have a "steal."
- Some new names will pop up in the next few weeks. And I bet you'll be positively surprised with how well we stand with them.
- Personally, I feel this class needs to be and will be like the '09 class with Watford, Creek, Hulls, Elston, Capobianco and Muniru, That was good foundation class and was the backbone to our successes in 2012 and 2013. The '18 class can do the same with guys like Thompson, Phinisee and Henry (plus another couple of guys.) As of July 12th, I am not worried.
- The '19 class should be the superstar class. If we don't land at least one from that class (Trendon Watford, Keion Brooks, Matthew Hurt, etc.) then it's more than fair to criticize. 

Post of the day.I love Phinisee.The kids going to make someone a great lead guard in a couple years.Hopefully us.

[Josh 12,934]

No reason to start worrying yet. If the calendar says September 15th and we haven't got a recruit yet than worry. But Archie is not going to get flustered and reach for a kid to just get a commit like the previous staff did. If we don't get who we want than we will hold onto the scholarship for next year. The 19 class is much better anyways. We have also handed 9 scholarship offers for the 19 class with I think all of them being 4 star or 5 star. We're fine don't panic.  

Thank you Chris! Now we have the proverbial line in the sand. Some are discouraged by the state of recruiting, some are optimistic. Now we have a well respected member giving us a specific date to determine whether the state of affairs is a reason or an excuse. Yay offseason lol

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

12 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

We will be fine if we can even snag 2 4* guys and bank the rest. That will add a little talent to the roster, give us a few bodies and not waste ships/make classes crazy uneven


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12 hours ago, Chris007 said:

No reason to start worrying yet. If the calendar says September 15th and we haven't got a recruit yet than worry. But Archie is not going to get flustered and reach for a kid to just get a commit like the previous staff did. If we don't get who we want then we will hold onto the scholarship for next year. The 19 class is much better anyways. We have also handed 9 scholarship offers for the 19 class with I think all of them being 4 star or 5 star. We're fine don't panic.  

I think these are the main takeaways here. We might only have a 2 or 3 man class, if the top  targets don't commit, and save them for a better and better prepared for '19.