Welcome Coach Miller

[JSHoosier]

Stepped away for a while so here are my thoughts.

I like Miller more than Crean, admittedly a low standard.  I said I'd be disappointed because I wanted to see more from him because it's a small sample size, but I'd give him a chance.  I personally liked Holtmann more, and I felt that same way about him.

Glass needs to go, he's lost me.  He got up there and lied his arse off, Miller doesn't fit what he described.

EDIT:  And I'm not disappointed because I thought Donovan would be the coach.  I never once said Donovan would be the coach, actually I consistently said my gut feeling was Alford and thank goodness that was just gas.

[IndianaSconnie90]

This hire is only risky due to him being a mid major coach, having said that, he was able to do quite a bit with what he had at Dayton. If Archie can recruit the state even a fraction better than Crean did and he can bring a strong defensive mindset to this team I think we'll turn out fine. I'm interested to see who stays and who goes from here. It's been pretty quiet about who's heading out and who's staying, will play a big role in how his first year turns out

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Has there been any former player reaction to the hire other than a tweet from Guyton?  Been away all day and just now trying to catch up and digest all the news.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I will support him FULL force. 100%. I think he is a good coach. I'm hopeful he can start recruiting 5 star talent. If he recruits like Sean I'll be thrilled.

I'm just going through another period of settling where I hoped Fred Glass opening up the wallet would have been an 'instant impact', 'world take notice' type hire. I really, really thought he was swinging for the fences. I actually think he did swing.

Ultimately excited to see what Archie can do.


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Celebration time beginning. This seems appropriate lol

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I'll celebrate with some Paulaner hefeweiss or Hoegaarden.

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[Walking Boot of Doom]

His math may be off but he sure as hell ain't worth more then Izzo.

More of an indicator that Michigan state is getting away with highway robbery imo. Izzo worth more than $4 million


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[Tom White]

I did some checking to see how the two schools did vs. common opponents this past season. Here is what I found:

Austin Peay: Dayton W 96-68 (Home), IU W 97-62 (Home)

Nebraska: Dayton L 78-80 (in Calif), IU L 55-68 (Away), W 63-62 (Home)

Northwestern: Dayton L 64-67 (Away), IU L 55-68 (Away), W 63-62 (Home)

So: 

vs. Austin Peay: they were pretty even.

vs. Nebraska: I would argue Dayton did a better job considering game location.

vs. Northwestern: Dayton did MUCH better playig at NU than IU did.

Make of it what you may. I also posted this in the Archie Miller hired thread.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Quick note people that think comparing Crean here is okay with comparing Archie at Dayton. He took the IU job because it was a step up. If it was the exact same he doesnt leave Dayton for a more pressured job. Crean had a hell of a lot more advantages and bigger advantages to use to his advantage at IU than Archie could use at Dayton. Success at a mid major is harder than it looks and we seem to think. Gonzaga, George Mason, WSU, VCU, Butler and Dayton are the only true mid majors with legit tourney success. You can probably throw the Zags off that list so that means 4 schools. At a program like IU the expectation is to win and compete for B1G titles and tourney runs each year. At Dayton their expectation is be good and make the tourney and be happy. So for the expectations that Archie had he did amazing. 4 straight trips and an Elite Eight spot. What do we expect Dayton to do? Constantly compete for Sweet Sixteens lol? Anytime any coach makes the switch he is making you expect him to be as good as he was and better because they get more money to spend recruiting, a bigger fan base, better facilities and when it comes to elite jobs like IU you expect the brand to help a lot as well. Yes you compete with better teams. I cant believe people are actually comparing what Dayton has done compared to IU. If you are gonna do anything compare him to the other true mid majors and he is far and away the best choice. Zags dont count and Butler and Xavier are in the Big East. VCU and WSU are the only schools that are on the level. WSU has a lot more resources than Dayton as well. WSU has KU and Missouri to deal with in recruiting. Dayton has Xavier, OSU, Cincy, IU, Butler, Purdue and ND in the area. If you don't like the hire your entitled to your own opinions but please lets not be realistically expecting Dayton to have better success than IU. That is a truly stupid argument in my book. Anything else is validated. He is 38 too. He is still very young and growing as a coach. Even if he was a finished product he still would be a good fit here. But the potential to bring us back to elite is what excites me. Carry on.

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[Tom White]

I did some checking to see how the two schools did vs. common opponents this past season. Here is what I found:

Austin Peay: Dayton W 96-68 (Home), IU W 97-62 (Home)

Nebraska: Dayton L 78-80 (in Calif), IU L 55-68 (Away), W 63-62 (Home)

Northwestern: Dayton L 64-67 (Away), IU L 55-68 (Away), W 63-62 (Home)

So: 

vs. Austin Peay: they were pretty even.

vs. Nebraska: I would argue Dayton did a better job considering game location.

vs. Northwestern: Dayton did MUCH better playing at NU than IU did.

Make of it what you may. I also posted this in the "Who do we hire" thread.

[biteoftheapple]

You want me to name 1?

Tony Bennett. I've said it all year long.

Also, for ME, I'd have taken Alford. (Couldn't because 1/4 of IU fans hate him) but he would have been successful with the fanbase behind him.


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With an Alford hire, I would have been paying much more attention to what was happening with Butlers program

[WayneFleekHoosier]

With an Alford hire, I would have been paying much more attention to what was happening with Butlers program

I understand that and that is why it wouldn't work.

He's doing pretty well at UCLA and with his recruiting I expect it to continue. Time will tell.


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[hoosierpap]

9 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You want me to name 1?

Tony Bennett. I've said it all year long.

Also, for ME, I'd have taken Alford. (Couldn't because 1/4 of IU fans hate him) but he would have been successful with the fanbase behind him.


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Agree on Tony. No actual source I'd take for gospel but seems his family didn't want to relocate. He reciprocated interest to Parker but couldn't get it done- from an actual source. 

Alford I was so out on. I don't get that one but am certainly willing to listen...

[IUfan_Charlie]

46 minutes ago, iufaninillinois said:

Your post was empty on my Android tablet. Is this the JBJ tweet with the eyes? If so, I was trying to figure that out also.

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yeah it was

[recker222000]

I will support him FULL force. 100%. I think he is a good coach. I'm hopeful he can start recruiting 5 star talent. If he recruits like Sean I'll be thrilled.

I'm just going through another period of settling where I hoped Fred Glass opening up the wallet would have been an 'instant impact', 'world take notice' type hire. I really, really thought he was swinging for the fences. I actually think he did swing.

Ultimately excited to see what Archie can do.


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Im sure he did and stevens and donovan said no. After that its a crap shoot. I guess we could of had alford buy he is not that well liked and cant get past the sweet sixeteen.

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[Trish]

Ugh.

 

I feel disappointed. Miller is all potential. I'm not sold on him as an X's and O's stand point. As far as what I've seen, his offense is damn near the same crap as Crean.

He's young which is great, but I much rather have White or Holtmann.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

I understand that and that is why it wouldn't work.

He's doing pretty well at UCLA and with his recruiting I expect it to continue. Time will tell.


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Feel like time has told? Just had the best offense he's ever assembled with one of the top PGs we've seen in college lately. Defense was his undoing, like it's always been.


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

1. Stevens
2. Donovan
3. Sean Miller
4. Few
5. Bennett
5. Alford
6. Marshall
7. Probably Archie 7. But I don't think he is necessarily, without a doubt, currently better than Collins, White, Huggins, Martin, and a host of others.

His age and family ties give hope. His results are pretty good. He's on the list. Of the "realistic"-whatever that means- list he is 2-4 for me. I like his youth a lot.



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Alford in your top 5/6 says it all. No quibble with rest

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[bigrod]

If he leaves now, he will officially be remembered as "Bracey Wright with bad knees."

If I was the coach, I'd tell him if you want to play, you're playing defense. If you don't want to, you won't play.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Agree on Tony. No actual source I'd take for gospel but seems his family didn't want to relocate. He reciprocated interest to Parker but couldn't get it done- from an actual source. 
Alford I was so out on. I don't get that one but am certainly willing to listen...

Tony was my main squeeze not named Donovan or Stevens.

Alford just went 31-5 in a good pac12 with a number 2 recruiting class coming in. Yes, he lost S16 but he was there and had a good chance. His recruiting and style will have them top 20 most of the time and 1-6 seed about every year.

I think with a united fanbase it would be similar here. He isn't a sure bet and I get that. That's why he was down my list. I think if the fanbase was behind him he'd be a lesser gamble than the mid major guys.


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[bigrod]

1. Stevens
2. Donovan
3. Sean Miller
4. Few
5. Bennett
5. Alford
6. Marshall
7. Probably Archie 7. But I don't think he is necessarily, without a doubt, currently better than Collins, White, Huggins, Martin, and a host of others.

His age and family ties give hope. His results are pretty good. He's on the list. Of the "realistic"-whatever that means- list he is 2-4 for me. I like his youth a lot.



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I'll take Archie over Sean all day. We know what Sean can do with tons of talent.


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